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I'm sure that's why you continue. Nothing like a good argument over a vacuous and nondescript subject

Yeah I got that when you wrote this:

Probably why anything outside of personal illusions become so nondescript and vacuous. What isn't shaped to fit in the personal hole, just has no place in the world.

Then you subscribe to the Reverends point of view. Reality is a personal opinion that suits you and services that opinion.
Gee... I wonder who created that.


Why would you want to?

You are what created the ego. If you identify with what you created and cease to become the creator, so much for you and those who sleep. No one can make you see anything other than what you choose to imagine yourself to be.
You might even have an edge to the world that can be sailed to where you can jump off.
So all the questions you posed to the idea of free will was just rhetoric. You yourself are a closed system of beliefs, and in your absolute state of self only observe the distortions of reality that are those who pass by your castle walls.

In order to objectify yourself against something you have to know what it is you are discussing. When it comes to God, you've only demonstrated that you have the will to form an opinion. (Limited as it is to religious nonsense)


By demonstrating your lack of understanding, you might impress upon me why you fail to put different ideas together?
You've already accomplished that, how about doing something different.



Ah yes, the projection of stereotypes.

Is will and choice the same thing?

Being that the Reverend is seeking allies he will probably be gentle with you. If I were to make that statement to him he would probably use your opening line:
I'm sure he'll find a way to use it regardless. He's torqued already when it comes to me and loves to use anyone's flaming comments so he doesn't appear to be alone.

Yer using the rev's definition of God?
Wait! Do you know what that is, or are you making an assumption based on the Methodists again?



If I use your logic, you are an Islamist



I can tell. Might be because you come up with so many ideas that only adhere to your predisposed beliefs of the subject matter. Gotta open your mind. Don't worry what you got in there won't fall out. I hope..

I remember when I was in school, and I wanted to ask the teacher how to spell a word. The response was, "look it up in the dictionary." Back then I thought, how was I was supposed to spell the world I didn't know how to spell, so I could look it up?

Basically I think there was a logic in the idea that when someone wants to know something they actually apply themselves rather than demand someone else do the work for them.

The other most obvious piece of the puzzle is that when someone stands in defiance of something, they will like to have someone prove to them what they already believe is untrue, so they can stand behind their castle walls without ever feeling their kingdom could be threatened by any other opposing forces.