TFF, your recent comments are very interesting. They raise so many issues and posE so many important questions. Also, note how I parse them.

For example, you now say
Originally Posted By: TheFallibleFiend
I accept that yoga (including yogic flying) is a mental and physical exercise. I currently DO yoga...
So you do change your mind, eh? Good for you.
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WHERE I LEARNED TO DO YOGA--from my daughter 56, April 1. She and her husband, Wayne Adams, both artists, built this home starting in 1992. They named the cove FREEDOM.
http://browningpass.com/freedom-cove-february-2012/
THAT WAS IN 2005--I was 75
http://www.mkprojects.com/pf_TibetanRites.htm
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As well as Yoga, may I suggest that, if you are willing to keep an open-mind, it is also possible you may eventually find that, while religion, like all human endeavours, can be evil as well as good, it is not all what you call "gibberish"-- senseless talk.
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...In the same way, for any religious person, say, for example (and not to pick on him), but the Rev. The fact that nearly everything he writes sounds like gibberish [senseless talk?] doesn't mean I'm not happy for him.[Well! Thanks for your patronage.] Then on you go with YOUR gibberish[quote]If his religion (or quasi-religion or non-religion or whatever he calls it) makes him happy, I AM HAPPY FOR HIM.
You ARE? Well now, isn't that nice of you smile? Would you like to have a go at my other cheek? laugh
Are you saying that all the great moral, ethical and loving men and women of history--would you like a list?--spoke nothing but "crap and gibberish."
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And I think science can and some scientists ARE trying to figure out what, in religion, is useful - even if every fact of every religion is wrong, it could still be useful.
Bully for them! You mean scientists like http://listverse.com/2007/11/18/top-10-evil-scientists/ smile

But seriously, I prefer to trust
http://clericalwhispers.blogspot.ca/2011/07/formation-of-irish-chapter-of-society.html
EVOLUTION and CLERGY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clergy_Letter_Project

Clergy who helped influence Darwin (he who studied theology at Cambridge, not Botany and the like.)
http://creation.com/clergy-mentor-darwin

RELIGIOUS SCIENTISTS
http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html#Christian

100 RELIGIOUS & SECULAR SCIENTISTS
http://www.adherents.com/people/100_scientists.html
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You say,"Understanding what the facts are, picking them out, testing them, is something science is good at." TFF

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO BE AWARE! AND LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.
Like un-bridled capitalism, it is also possible to have un-bridled science--science with NO moral, ethical and loving roots will lead us to develop weapons of mass destruction and become M.A.D--mutually assured destruction.
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We end with a positive and a spiritually-based thought
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And I think science can and some scientists ARE trying to figure out what in religion is useful - even if every fact of every religion is wrong, it could still be useful.
Understanding what the facts are, picking them out, testing them, is something science is good at.
Part of that requires them to figure out what religion is and how it works in the brain and in society - all within the scope of science.

G~O~D--Now & ForeverIS:Nature, Nurture & PNEUMA-ture, Thanks to Warren Farr&ME AT www.unitheist.org