On another note: Since you favor Baumaster as your latest guru, and having tauted your new philosophical adherence to Tolle's writings of the "Now" prior to you new fascination with "willing the now to be the future in the now".. Have you ever wondered how psychologists treat religion and God?

When you pair willpower with the idea of being Godly or in your determination G~O~D~ly, where the acronym defines ones God and ones relationship with it, how many ways can humanity create the idea? Would you will yourself to agree with all of them as the potential that exists in the human psyche to project what they desire as good, divine, orderly or opportunistic? Or will you will yourself to agree to disagree?

In a universe of diversity where you like to plead to the atheist ego who defines itself as non agreeable to your definitions and acronyms of God. And where your ego has wrapped itself around an acronym that you so love to present as the blessed package of possibility, at the doorstep of the castle walls you have designed as your interpretation of atheism. Who is talking to who?
Do you imagine they are who they are or do you know each person you refer to and what they know and believe?

Evolutionary Psychology and the Existence of God

Evolutionary Psychology has the influence and star qualities Behaviorism had in the 1940’s and 1950’s for the practice of psychology. It seems that using the lens of natural selection to describe human behavior continues to grow, while the more classical ideas of the mind, human freedom, and non-deterministic theories have become passé. The work of such thinkers as Pascal Boyer, Justin Barrett, and Steven Pinker have brought the evolutionary approach for understanding human behavior into every conceivable element of psychological inquiry. This also includes the phenomenon of religion.

Atheists have to contend with the fact that every culture in the world has a natural proclivity toward religion. Atheism in a sense is learned later, early on human beings have a religious sense about them. The smallest tribe in the remotest part of the world has ideas concerning the divine, the after-life, and the mystical. Of course, a number of Evolutionary Psychologists would contend the reason for this system of belief is that there is an adaptive quality being served and therefore belief is important to the gene pool for survival. Other Evolutionary Psychologists propose that even if there is no adaptive purpose for this belief, then the belief in such a thing as “God” is merely a byproduct of other neurological adaptive processes. Regardless of their reasons, they dismiss the phenomenon as being nothing more than the result of adaption through the process of natural selection. Evolutionary Psychologists carry the banner of the famous “pseudo-atheist” Voltair who claimed “If God did not exist; it would be of necessity that he be created.”
-Dominick Hankle (Assistant Professor of Psychology in the School of. Psychology and Counseling at Regent University)

Psychology, is it science or religion?

If one makes up God as often as you do Reverend, what's to say we as individuals do not make up who we believe others are, who they might be as we would like them to be, and following those thoughts... create our dialogue in the function and fashion that suits the imagination of who and what we will into experience?

According to ancient scripture in the philosophy of Advaita Vedanta (non duality) there is only ever one person in the room. That would be the one witness to reality. Individuals may share common threads to the concept of reality as it is projected and witnessed, but no two people ever experience anything exactly the same.

Physics has similarly stated that the world observed is first manufactured in the mind and then created as the experience. This agrees with ancient Vedic philosophy in the idea that we create each other to fit in the spaces we create where we believe in both light and darkness, or evil and good. We set the stage and we fill it with what we imagine life to be. When you believe Good has an opposite, then you will find it in the contrast upon the stage you have set for yourself.
Without changing your self, whatever you attempt to rearrange or change in the appearances of the outer world will find their way back to what you hold to be real within the mind. All of your subconscious finds its way to the surface of the mind.
As you make the attempts to throw affirmations and to hypnotize the surface of the mind, the subconscious will reveal itself in your thoughts and beliefs, even if you have boarded the doors and windows of your house and never come out to face them.

What a preacher then preaches is either universal or personal, being that the psychologist is the preacher, the scientist is the preacher or the one tooting their own horn regarding the self proclamation of title, self accomplishment..., or however one measures their worth against what is created by or with their God, and what is NOT.

Originally Posted By: Bill S.
On and on.....same old same old. Boring!!!

Where's the science - even the "not quite science"?


Where does science or a scientist tolerate the proposition of God if it is not in the judgment and the accusations that "IT" Cannot be fit into the scientific box and preached by the scientific preacher?

I guess everyone needs some kind of entertainment.. or they complain of being bored.

By the way how are we defining NQS? is that a topic that is not at all related to science, slightly related to science, or mostly related to science? And who gets to make the judgment call as the representative of Science over all opinions and ideas about what is relevant to science?

Sorry Bill but I just get this sense that you're not really interested in any of this but just wanted to make a complaint because you were bored, rather than starting out all excited and then becoming bored after coming to read this thread. After all, you've not exactly been an eager participant on this topic.

C'mon admit it, you were bored when you moused over this topic and pushed down on that mouse button. wink

I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but then I turned myself around!!