We are then in agreement Rede. My personal experienence should not and does not influence others, but this attitude is not shared by those who seek to spread their faith. Often I envy their absolute conviction that they have the story on the meaning of life, and somethng other than themselves to blame for bad fortune, but I cannot share it--- and apparently neither did Mother Theresa for a substantial portion of her life. Fred is just another comforting proposition, even I recoil from the acknowledgemant of the truth- that it is just random chance that anything exists anywhere!