Originally Posted By: Tutor Turtle

No that only presupposes some kind of authority outside of any choice, rather than defining what is Freedom or choice. Why are you using this religious slant as a starting point to define choice, where it comes from, and what it can affect?
What is God, and what does God have to do with anything?


Slant??? It's not a slant it's a basic property of GOD and you are trying to dance around the issue.

GOD is OMNIPOTENT according to religion ..... ergo NO freedom of choice unless you modify something.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotence ... item number 5


5.Every action performed in the world is 'actually' being performed by the deity, either due to omni-immanence, or because all actions must be 'supported' or 'permitted' by the deity.


Doesn't get much more clear than that if GOD is omnipotent you have no freedom of choice you can't have.


These aren't definitions I am making up they are stock standard definitions ... if you believe something different about GOD and it's power is in some way limited so you do have freedom of choice you will need to explain it. I don't know what your version of GOD is or is not capable of so I have used the standard definition.

That is why we are discussing GOD in this context because I am curious what you believe and how you reconcile the problem. I know the muslim religion version of this very well but I am less familiar with other religions.


It is a stock standard problem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_free_will

=>The argument from free will (also called the paradox of free will, or theological fatalism) contends that omniscience and free will are incompatible, and that any conception of God that incorporates both properties is therefore inherently contradictory.

Last edited by Orac; 09/25/13 06:44 PM.
I believe in "Evil, Bad, Ungodly fantasy science and maths", so I am undoubtedly wrong to you.