Originally Posted By: Rev
can't imagine that there is a separate god, or a satan, who makes us who we are, against our wills.

That's an interesting slant on the free will question. I had always thought it was a straightforward "contest" between those who thought we had no free will and therefor had no choice; and those who thought we had free will and could choose what we did, or how we were.

The "God/devil/Jodi Foster made me do it" people always seem a bit suspect, in one way or another.
There never was nothing.