Great dialogues at BrainMeta: You will note that two posters are ignored. It is not the content of what they try to say, but their opaque and obscure style.

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20440&st=0&gopid=98661&#entry98661
http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20379&pid=98662&st=0&#entry98662
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