Originally Posted By: finiter

Sorry, I thought the spinning and centrifuging to be two independent cases. You are incorporating both together. However, this, does not cause any problem. Now you are applying two different forces of rotation to the bucket; ie you are transferring energy simultaneously by two methods. The net effect would be the surface will remain more curved, because the minimum level of energy will be higher. The energy of each atom (vibrations, rotation, and translation), and the electromagnetic repulsion will be balanced the attractive forces and the centripetal forces. You need not consider the forces separately, and identify 'which force counters which force'.

In my theory balance of forces is the main thing to be considered. Forces does not impart energy, but only causes transfer of energy. Circular motion does not create centripetal force, except in the case of fundamental particles. And so centripetal force and absoluteness of space has no connection.


That story doesn't hold together at all ... its crazy

Think about it you are a particle you can't see whats happening as a whole.

To give you an insight consider you location on earth at the moment now plot the path of your actual movement of that point as the earth rotates about its axis and the earth orbits the sun (It will look something like this "press start" http://faculty.ifmo.ru/butikov/Projects/Collection1.html)

You are completely unaware of those motions sitting where you are as would a particle or mass so how do you propose how it knows what energies to transfer?

At the moment you simply say "se I can see two distinct rotations" as if the actual system can see them as well.
So what happens if I make the rotations much more complex like each sine waves even you will be struggling to sort out which rotation is which visually and the system certainly has no way to "know".

Here this is a typical Lissajous rotation (http://www.ibiblio.org/e-notes/Lis/Lissa.htm)
(http://wn.com/Lissajous_figure) look at section 9

I am going to put two of them together on my double centrifuge setup. How do you think your energy is going to "know" what is going on. This is the sort of motion that is used by those frightening theme park rides.

Is this starting to gel with you yet I can make the motions complex even with simple setups so some sort of mathematics has to tie the compound motions together. The only way you can at the moment is to invoke god to know ahead what is going to happen because these belong to a class of motions called chaotic motion (http://www.clausewitz.com/Complex/ChaosDemos.htm)

I like your idea it's sort of elegant but these are the problem Einstein had with his static universe and why we know for a fact absolute space is dead.

Last edited by Orac; 10/18/11 02:53 PM.
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