There's something from earlier in the thread I would like to return to.

Originally Posted By: Orac
How can you get a black hole if it doesn't go into runaway, that is like having an atomic bomb without critical mass ... think about it


In order to ensure we were talking about the same thing, you would have to be quite clear as to whether you are treating the centre of a BH as a singularity, or not.

We would also have to be sure that by “singularity” we understood the same thing.

There never was nothing.