Redewenur:
I wasn't trying trying to dodge the issue. Let me state my
position more clearly.

1. Predetermination ... the outcome is predetermined by
a deity or a deterministic universe (we aren't in one).

2. Free will ... we have full and complete freedom to do
as we wish (of course so does the saber toothed cat
around the bend).

3. The alternative ... we have the ability to make limited
decisions within a predetermined framework. I can UPPER
cAsE aLL i WANT!

Limited decisions is not what most mean when invoking the
concept of free will.

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Ellis:
Karma is just a way for those that should, metaphorically
speaking, pick up an AK47. It is used by people who perceive
injustice and prefer to not confront it but rather comfort
themselves in the assumed evening of the scales at some point
in the future.

I prefer the likes of George Washington, Patrick Henry, and
Lech Walesa. As Edmund Burke said:

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

And appeals to karma are "doing nothing."

DA Morgan