Blacknad felt the same way I think. The discussion seemed to be heading in that direction I thought. ie basically that the universe is a determinate universe because of the operation of the natural laws of physics and therefore random acts are impossible. I'm probably wrong and shouldn't be commenting, but it's a really interesting discussion so what the heck! Go easy on me I am not a scientist! But I do like (without any real evidence) the rather crazy notion of chaos as the source of everything!