Rede. I think it's in the same article. Interestingly I was halfway through writing my earlier post. Knock on the door. Jehovah's Witnesses. From two doors away. Can't be too offensive to them. Nice people actually. Besides the bass player in one of my bands is JW. I was forced to admit to my visitors that many people have changed their lives for the better on conversion. What do we do for such people if religion is discarded?