I agree totally with what you say Bill and we have explained it a number of times to Bill S. We might be able to push QM thru to the other side of BB and get some data. Similarly if we can work out what causes gravity it may also exist before BB it is after all a form of energy and perhaps we could do some pre-BB science with it and it is right we should consider such things.

However at the moment we have no data pre BB ... and no data is no data.

You can't apply any sort of logic to a no data situation especially when the universe is compacting in and the laws of physics may not remotely be what we are familiar with.

I have no problem with pondering the idea but there is no actual answer possible and really any answer is equally valid.

Last edited by Orac; 02/09/14 02:32 PM.
I believe in "Evil, Bad, Ungodly fantasy science and maths", so I am undoubtedly wrong to you.