Originally Posted By: Orac
To me it's always a bit like the chicken and egg ... you need energy to create a force and a force transfers energy which came first who can say


Obviously, Bill answered this, but I think it's worth mentioning that the answer was contained in the wording of your question: you need energy to create a force, but you don't need a force to create energy.

BTW, evolution solved the chicken and egg problem: the chicken evolved from something else that was already laying eggs. smile

There never was nothing.