Originally Posted By: Ellis

There is a place for such cooperation everywhere, and it is more effective than fear. However there are still too many areas where religion and coercion impose their moral version with their own limited vision.

That which inspires the religious is the same which inspires those who label themselves non-religious. Each has their own ideas of what that may be and want to own it as their own and to be right about it. And in being right about it one will do whatever they can to demean the other for their ideals and berate them for thinking they are right.


I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but then I turned myself around!!