Originally Posted By: redewenur
There's a whole universe of experience and knowledge beyond the remit of science that provide joie de vivre to scientist and non-scientist alike, and have nothing to do with discussions of the gods alluded to in these threads.


That is actually debatable. Because the limited imagination of the ego uses so much energy in outward moving senses (To use the reverends approach of an acronym..EGO everything goes outward from the senses) the subtle senses of intuition and uncommon sensibility are ignored. The authority within the system of measure where we are taught to accept ourselves as limited, and to compare ourselves and grade ourselves on relative scales of acceptable realities, creates doubt and fear which creates an experience not unlike removing a free animal into a cage.

The psyche which is forced into such a way of living where fear rules ones sensibilities seeks relief in the experience. Love which is conditioned, is sought to fill the voids where self measure has been imposed as the nature of worth. Enjoyment within the universe is sought as the relief from ones own beliefs in being victim to circumstance and a world that seems to have an order outside of ones beliefs.

Religion is created to conjure a benevolent presence or reality of relief, from the suffering humanity endures within the trials and tribulations of the human experience. When so many die of disease, war, poverty and even "natural" disasters one begins to question the reality of ones self, humanity in general and the nature of the universe.

The inherent capabilities of the human senses (if not developed) twist reality into subjective realities which are objectively experienced thru the filters of belief.

The divine presence within the individual being is squashed by the determination of democratic rule, subject to the authority and its self created system of acceptance and measure.

An example would be love. We are taught to accept love within certain ideals. We are taught that we cannot know love until we reach a certain age of understanding. We are taught to believe sex is acceptable with certain ritualistic boundaries of social mores, and those vary in culture and in history like the changing beliefs in religion and God.

Science might measure love by hormonal response and brain activity, but we as individuals often ignore any system of acceptance or measure when it comes to making claims to feeling love. We fear to do this when we are speaking of any other relationship to our experience in personal realities.

If we feel love we do not hesitate to make the statement to that fact, and we would argue with anyone who would challenge what we feel. When we feel love for our families and friends we are not so often challenged to prove this relationship or feeling as we are with everything else, because the social mores of society have not been able to put love entirely into a box of measure, but it will insist upon boxing everything else and the ego does in fact, try to put love into a box.

With everything in a box, the essence of who we are emerges by its very nature to expose itself, but it is beaten down by the ego and the social mores of democratically conceived standards of measure, and the political acceptance of physical realities.

With the belief and experience in what is determined to be good and bad, what recourse does anyone have but to seek that which is acceptable within those measures of good, and to try and protect ones self from the bad.

The prison of duality created by the outward going senses coupled with the atrophied intuitive capabilities inherent within the nervous system, keeps us looking outside of ourselves for perfection and reality.

In that sense, the Gods are all relative to conditions of self measure, and they are brought here to be debated upon as they are seen within the personal realities that might appeal to the whole, and be accepted as the good experience of self proclaimed belief.


I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but then I turned myself around!!