Hello all and thanks for the welcome!
I'm definitely on your side...the key to progress is open minds and imagination. But having said that, the best tool we have is the body of science as we know it. Sure, it is an on-going, evolving set of ideas. But science has a bed-rock of principles that have been so strongly proven, so thoroughly tested and re-tested, that we accept them as the reality of our observable universe.
The laws of thermodynamics, the laws of conservation of energy are the bed-rock of chemistry and physics. They are not going to be reversed or over thrown. You don't need to even know the math or the details to know these laws are running the universe.
Thermo and Conservation of energy just basically say: "A ball rolls down-hill. When it gets to the bottom of the hill it stops rolling. You must expend energy to carry it back to the top of the hill. Simple as that.
In chemistry if you have some hydrogen in a tank, it is like that ball at the top of the hill. When you react the hydrogen with oxygen, you are rolling it down hill, releasing energy in the form of heat or electricity. When the hydrogen has all combined with oxygen you have water. Water is a ball at the bottom of the hill. There is no more energy in it. If you replace that energy (by electrolysis) you can get the hydrogen back out, and you will be back at the top of the hill. But thermodynamics says you must put every bit as much energy back
(and even some extra) to get it back up to the top.
We know this to be true in everyday life. You pedal hard and work your way to the top of a hill on your bike and then you can coast back down without working. As a kid you may dream or hope you can find a secret road that is flat that takes you back to the top of your hill. How cool that would be: coast down the hill, and then ride along a secret flat path that takes you back to the top of the hill! Heck...maybe even find a secret path that is *downhill* that leads back to the top of the first hill!!
Maybe you search for that road, maybe you even think there is a conspiracy amongst adults to hide that road and erase it from the maps, so only they can use it!
Back to our issue at hand: Water as a fuel.
Think about the oceans of the world. That water has been there for billions of years. Think of how many lightning bolts have hit the oceans over those years, think of the asteroids that have impacted the oceans in the past. Yet the oceans have never
caught on fire and burned up. A lightning bolt is at millions of degrees temperture; an asteroid is a temperature and pressure burst equivalent to a nuclear bomb. Yet the water does not burn.
Further, let's assume water behaved in the manner Genepax claims:
Without adding external energy, water will separate into hydrogen and oxygen..then release heat and electricity and then recombine back into water. Suppose this was true....the oceans of the world would be continually separating into giga-megatons of hydrogen and oxygen...the sky would explode releasing all the water to rain back down and fill the oceans again. Then it would happen all over again...and over again...forever.
If thermodynamics were not true, this kind of run-away disaster would be going on everywhere in the universe. In fact it would have blasted the universe to smithereens billions of years ago!
Sorry for going on so long, and I don't mean to be patronizing to anyone, just maybe talking about this in a bit of less technical way than your typical lecture on physics...
Cheers to all,
Hatfield (and the North)
