Originally Posted By: Orac
As a scientist I have never seen something perpetual pop into existence ... NOT EVER.
I also have never seen something suddenly created from nothing ... NOT EVER.
So both are equally bad or good choices to me take your pick.


If by "perpetual" you mean eternal, then of course you haven't seen it "pop into existence". Suggesting that something eternal might have a beginning is a contradiction in terms. In the five years or so I have been on this forum I don't think I have labelled anyone else's ideas as rubbish, and I am certainly not breaking that record now. Near thing, though. smile

I'm not surprised that you have never seen something suddenly created from nothing; to equate that with never having seen the beginning of eternity is perplexing.

There never was nothing.