Science is not about God. It's not about superstition. It's not about spirit.
These anti-scientific contributions not only raise the ire of those members genuinely focused on science but must surely also attract kindred 'spirits' and repel desirable prospective members.
Science should be about truth and the discovery of truth rather than protecting ones beliefs and dwelling in the ire of dissatisfaction of personal contradictions.
You made a comment regarding "Natural Selection" and God or spirit having no place in Science and Funny fiend makes a claim to this being a scientific community, yet another scientific community has this to say about the above topics.
"In the ultimate analysis" declared the noted British geneticist J.B.S. Haldane, the universe can be nothing less than the progressive manifestation of God"
Recent discoveries in may branches of research are gradually dispelling the long held scientific opinion that the upward evolution of life and intelligence that produced human beings was an accidental process. The very existence of living matter is leading many scientists to acknowledge an inherent design in creation. "Careful analysis suggests that even a mildly impressive living molecule is quite unlikely to form randomly," Time magazine December 28, 1992, reported. And in Newsweek, July 19,1993, asked: How do wisps of gas and specks of clay come to life?....Wherever the ingredients of life first evolved, combining them into something fully alive seems madly improbable. Fred Hoyle, the British astronomer [founder of the Institute for Theoretical Astronomy at Cambridge University] once said the event is about as likely as assembling a 747 by sending a whirling tornado into a junkyard."
"One intriguing observation that has bubbled up from physics," the article in Time stated, "is that the universe seems calibrated for life's existence. If the force of gravity were pushed upward a bit, stars would burn out faster, leaving little time for live to evolve on the planets circling them. If the relative masses of protons and neutrons were changed by a hair, stars might never be born, since the hydrogen they eat wouldn't exist. If, at the Big Bang, some basic numbers--the 'initial' conditions--had been jiggled, matter and energy would never have coagulated into galaxies, stars, planets or any other platforms stable enough for life as we know it.
"One little publicized fact is that many, perhaps most, evolutionary biologists now believe that evolution was very likely, given enough time, to create a species with our essential property: an intelligence so great that it becomes aware of itself and starts figuring out how things work. In fact, many biologists have long believed that [given the fundamental structure of the universe] the coming of highly intelligent life was inevitable."
In the
Immense Journey (New York: Random House, 1957), biologist Loren Eisley commented on the supposedly blind evolutionary process of "natural selection" (This was back in 1957) and "survival of the fittest" that fashioned complex living creatures from earths raw materials: "Men talk much of matter and energy, of the struggle for existence which molds life. These things exist, it is true; but more delicate, elusive, quicker than fins in water, is the mysterious principle known as
'organization' ,which leaves all other mysteries concerned with life stale and insignificant by comparison. For that without "organization" life does not persist is obvious. Yet, this organization itself is not the product nor selection. Like some dark and passing shadow with matter, it cups out the eyes' small windows or spaces the notes of a meadowlarks song... IF "DEAD" matter has reared up this curious landscape of fiddling crickets, song sparrows, and wondering men, it must be plain to even the most devoted materialist that the matter of which he speaks contains amazing, if not dreadful powers, and may not impossibly be, as Hardy has suggested, 'but one mask of many worn by the great face behind.'"
Dr. Michio Kaku has a video on string theory in which he follows suit with the idea that matter has a force behind it that cannot be explained but from his intimations it has intelligence and organization. A couple of things he says in his video I disagree with, and I find contradictory.
First, he says, theory explains that something can come from nothing, which is similar to the random theory that a something which has structure and organization could suddenly appear. I think this will be discovered to be an illogical premise for a beginning. Since if we want to imagine that organization is intelligence and the force that is unknown which is involved in organization is built into structure it logically points to he intelligence being within the nothing that gave birth to the something.
Secondly he mentioned the evolution of man from apes. This is also illogical, since the DNA of an ape is not the same as a Human and science fails to recognize these two species as having their own path of emergence.
Thirdly, He posits that when his calculations and the calculations made by others of his kind are solved that will be the end. FINIS! all questions answered no more questions everything will be known. This reminds me of a rumor to a statement that came from an official of the U.S. Patent office that was made back in the early part of the 20th century. "Nothing more can be invented, everything that could or would be invented has already been invented." This was a rumor of course and as such so is any idea that the universe has an end to its experience and discoveries.
Such information as I have provided above exists in the Spiritual sciences. The Nothing that Dr. Kaku refers to is detailed in thousands of books and in the actual documentation of experience as the underlying principal of all thought feeling and action that is self awareness and self discovery. Sometimes it is called consciousness but to the average scientist this arouses an ire due to the need to only apply such a word to the synaptic firing of neurons in the pinky/grey like fleshy meat was resting in the bonelike spherical object called the brain....
Spiritual science documents and tests the human instrument as to its cognitive abilities and to a greatly lesser extent the many civilizations yet to be discovered by present day sciences that have risen and fallen prior to our current scientific discoveries of our planets past.
This is why such mysteries of the Mayan Calendar and the philosophies of such civilizations as the Aztecs, Incas, Maya and even Plato's references to Atlantis and Lemuria have yet to be understood.
Mostly we have camps of belief. Scientists who have their own camps of belief as does religion have its many churches. The reference to protecting this particular community/camp from degradation and to sterilize it of non-believers is mirrored in such actions of control and superstition as was evident in the crusades and the Spanish inquisition. Every camp always maintains they hold the true definition of reality and their truth is the only truth and their weapon is their voice and their evidence. But such a battle is the same battle of a debating team and or a pair of lawyers working for their point of view. Each side gathers it own evidence and each side demands to own and win. The proverbial monkey at the chess board approach.
I find it amazing personally the idea that if something is real it can lost. It can be ignored and misunderstood by many but that never takes anything from someone who knows the Truth.
Science is continually discovering itself, and it is said nothing new is ever discovered, what is cognized is that which already exists in potential of discovery. Yet man insists on owning everything and protecting what it understands for fear of losing it.
Spiritual science has a less superstitious foundation tho it is not impervious to the superstitious ego of man and his limited comprehension of reality as he takes upon himself the words and Ideas of others without the actual experience of what he believes.
The loudest squeaks always come from fear and the feeling of being personally invaded, or simply put superstition.
The simple fact is, if something can be taken away it wasn't real to begin with.
