Originally Posted By: Socrates2007
Originally Posted By: Mike Kremer
We are about to control our own evolution, faster and better than Darwin ever believed, or God ever could.


Sorry, but this is an incredibly foolish statement.

There is now no evolution in humans. There is no selective pressure. Anyone can breed. Intelligent people are far less likely to breed. Welfare States and charity ensure that the unfit are protected from selection.
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Talking about evolution in terms of the human race is pointless.

You say we can cure obesity and sexual disease. This means that we make it possible for people with no self control to stay in the gene pool. In different times, if you didn't control your eating you would have been too fat to run from a predator. If people cannot have the sense to wear a condom then how 'fit' are they.

I'm just saying that by the very terms of evolution, science is a problem.

In an overpopulated world, science is becoming more adept at keeping the unfit alive.
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The Welfare State is the enemy of evolution.

Charity is the enemy of evolution.

Compassion is the enemy of evolution.

Scientists are traitors to evolution wink


Starting with:-
Sorry, but this is an incredibly foolish statement.

Its OK, there's nothing to be sorry about. Just ensure that those individual statements that you do pick up-on, remain in the context of my original posting reply.

When you say "there is now no evolution in humans, There is no selective pressure. Anyone can breed".

One ought to clarify exactly what type of Human Evolution you are talking about.
There are a number different types of Evolution, that in my opinion, should be actively classified.
Prehaps there is no natural "Physical Evolution", going on that we can discern. For are we not perfectly made in Gods image? To quote from the bible.

But you are wrong when you say there is no selective (breeding?) pressure.
Just to choose a mate, takes up far more of your time than it ever did, a few hundred years ago. All you had access to then, was the local village girl.

And as you say, -and you should know, since you wrote that "Intelligent people are far less likely to breed"
Far less likely?
Or should you be saying , 'take far longer to choose?' Your 'Intelligent evolution' is already making you aware of the protection of the Welfare State and Charity. Obviously, they both come into your personal equation, when making a choice.
And so they should, along with hundreds of other far less subtle choices that you may not even be aware of.
Ranging from physical type, to similar thinking methods, even pherenomes come into play. We are more careful these days than before. Thats how "Intelligent Evolution" comes about. Intelligence begets intelligence, begets Intelligent People thru our own more careful natural selection these days.

Do you really believe the Welfare State is the enemy of Evolution?

At the very least it makes you aware of others prehaps less fortunate than your-self. Your "Intelligent Evolution of Reasoning" now allows you to further make up your mind as to what, who, and how, you accept those that make up the Welfare State.
The Welfare state is almost like a separate protected outpost within a bustling busy country. So we must not forget the thousands of workers, Doctors, Lawyers, organisers, cleaners, staff, and Charitys that your real life neighbours, have opted to work for.
You might say that their particular "Mental Evolution" has given them the foresight to live a life that is organised for the long term, allbeit with a small gain at the end of the road.
Lots of us, prehaps most of us, would be happy to work, under such circumstances.

Yes we are 'keeping them' in a sense, but that is because we, our Goverments, and Scientists, are producing monetary value, to enable this particular outpost to survive. its a form of Living Evolution and similar, that suits many of us.

Yes, you are absolutely right when you say:- "In an overpopulated world, science is becoming more adept at keeping the unfit alive"
But lets not forget ourselves. We are the fit majority, in our overpopulated world, we all rely upon the Sciences to live the way we have Evolved to live

Be aware that the whole of Society is becoming more and more dependent upon the Sciences.
Look at the items around you. Your cycle, car, TV, your printed books of learning, your E-mails via your computer. All science enabled......or would you rather stand naked and hungry in a jungle? I dont think so.

You are saying:- by the very terms of evolution, science is a problem?
Well, I am saying:-by the very terms of evolution, science is keeping us alive. All of us the Good, the Bad and the Lazy.
You never know when those genes will be wanted, one day in the future.
We have Evolved since Adam and Eve, and continue to do so.




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"You will never find a real Human being - Even in a mirror." ....Mike Kremer.