I think your both just looking to disagree with somebody regardless of if you agree with them or not.
Quantum: I already mentioned that we've made major advancements in our treatment of cattle. Yes, we have a long way to go. But it has nothing to do with the point: No matter how well we treat one animal, there are others that we needlessly torture because it's fun and tasty. The cheetah sometimes plays with it's food - it doesn't know better. We do, but we do it anyway.
DA: Same thing. You know that my point has nothing to do with empathetic cheetahs and everything to do with cruelty inflicted by man. I don't believe you think it's possible for a cheetah to be intentionally cruel to its food.
Argument for the sake of enlightened discussion is one thing, but argument for the sake of argument gets tiresome.
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