The biggest war, is the war for the seat of authority.
What science or religion is without political influence or structure within its own system of definition in name and functionality?
Science just knows how to decide who gets to sit in the seat of authority, the one who can publish a scientific theory that can't be falsified and expands knowledge ... it's not about any sort of popularity or authority.
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/30/was-2011-the-year-of-scientific-retractions/http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/sep/13/scientific-research-fraud-bad-practicehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...-colleague.htmlhttp://science.discovery.com/strange-science/10-science-mistakes.htm
That's why science can't be controlled or crushed by religion, politics or military ... the ultimate control is not a person or organization but an ideal a singular goal of all scientists.
Just need to agree who fits the science/scientist definition and profile
So as a scientist you have two options show me that what you propose does not violate QM or falsify QM ... take your choice there are no others.
Ok .. I didn't quite get that from what you said ... you seemed to be insisting something which I obviously misunderstood?
As I said I am not forgetting this arguement at all and I want to come back to it. I totally disagree with everything you have written but it can wait for now I need to fill in some detail. It is you who is now being argumentative I have said on at least 3 occasions lets sort the science and come back to this.
This IS the science. you continue to avoid it for some reason.
Orac, please refrain from the tit-for-tat exchange of insults. It cheapens you and doesn't do anything for the forum as a whole. Don't poop in your own well.
That is the reason science looks and works the same no matter what the background of the person or politics of the country doing it.
Looks like human ego
The bonus science has is that knowledge has always equaled power be it military, economic or political and thus those who want power aid and value science.
Knowledge without principles, understanding and experience, can only be equal to a loaded gun in the hands of a child.
Any child can throw a tantrum.
It is the secret of why science survives and always will.
Spirituality I'll bet is older that what you call science. Unless you call the world being flat and a few other ideas listed in the link recording the ten scientific mistakes of the past, science.
Many of the other things like you describe such as politics and religion need a person or body to be the authority over it and thus are inherently fragile to corruption from within and influences from outside.
You definition of science as a self governing entity without the human factor being without corruption is an ideal.
Kinda like what you see religion creating with a God.
