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US scientists have cracked the entire genetic code of breast and colon cancers, offering new treatment hopes.

The genetic map shows that nearly 200 mutated genes, most previously unknown, help tumours emerge, grow and spread.

The discovery could also lead to better ways to diagnose cancer in its early, most treatable stages, and personalised treatments, Science magazine reports.

The Johns Hopkins Kimmel Cancer Center says the findings suggest cancer is more complex than experts had believed.

For the rest of the story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5325206.stm

"...more complex than experts had believed."

Now there's a surprise!

LOL
~sam

yeah...surprise :-)

and more complexity for evolutionary folks to explain away :-)

btw -- nice find...read it earlier and was going to post it with my own brand of commentary

...or, far more complexity for evolutionary folks to examine and find more support for the theory (or not).

"and more complexity for evolutionary folks to explain away :-)"

Highly misleading statement. Evolution scientists understand the limits of their knowledge. None of this sheds one iota of doubt on evolutionary theory.

There are things we don't know. That much is not a surprise.

There are plenty of open questions in evolution. No surprise there, either.

Failing to account for every last detail is not the same as not accounting for anything. There are a limited number of researches, of varying levels of competence. Real science takes time and careful thought to do correctly.

highly misleading...a matter of opinion; i don't think so

evosciguys understand the limits of their knowledge...i don't think so, but allowing you that, it would certainly be more inwardly than outwardly (ie, they have no prob chanting their 'evolution is a fact, fact, fact' mantra to the public while holding the problems a little closer to the chest

none of this sheds one iota of doubt on evolutionary theory...of course not, at least not for the faithful :-)

as for the rest of your post...

ditto, dude

i concur with you...unanimously :-)

re:
"...have no prob chanting their 'evolution is a fact, fact, fact' mantra to the public...."

In fact, there is a great discussion of this over on Origins (God & Science) thread. I'd like to get your take on the "facts" discussion over there also.

Sorry to be off topic again, but... brief enough?

For more about "public perception of science/scientist" see:
http://blog.myspace.com/120086790

~Samwik

P.S. any following discussion about "fact" should go to Origins...? ~3:50ish

"they have no prob chanting their 'evolution is a fact, fact, fact mantra to the public "

It *is* a fact.

"while holding the problems a little closer to the chest"

The word "problem" is ambiguous. That there are many things about the details of evolution that we are still trying to fill in. There are some details we may never fill in. Those details are not essential to the acceptance of evolution as a fact.

These are not impediments to accepting evolution as a fact.

anyman wrote:
"and more complexity for evolutionary folks to explain away"

You truly need to see counseling: This is sick.

The complexity of a disease is not a measure of anything related in any respect to evolution. But it might be a good place to note that according to you your deity created cancer and allows it to exist by an act of will even when it inflicts pain and suffering on young children.

You made this bed: Now sleep in it.

For extra emotive force why not include "and cute furry animals will needlessly suffer."

If it was relevant I would have.

I find it fascinating that on one hand these people think god created everything in the universe and then go suddenly mute when one points out that "everything" includes childhood leukemia, polio, malaria, diptheria, AIDS, and every birth defect that has ever existed.

Well, that was part of the point with my question about bacteria and protists and the genesis. But I'll let it go for now.

Eternauta. You were never going to get a response to that. Like politicians these fundies are great at not answering the difficult questions. By the way I hope you people in the US keep in mind the following: "How do you know when a politician is lying?" Answer: "His lips are moving". Same with a fundy I guess.

TNZ wrote:
"How do you know when a politician is lying?" Answer: "His lips are moving". Same with a fundy I guess.

A great quote from Will Rogers and well applied to another lower lifeform.

What amazes me about this is that the fundamentalists are, at least in theory, suporting morality and ethics. That their need to be right overwhelmes both their morality and ethics clearly validates why they are fundamentalists rather than mainstream.