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Meow! One more from either of you and I'll cut you both out.

Amaranth
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my appologies for responding in kind, i should have kept it clean from my side at least. thats all i could have controled and all i should have hoped to.

i could be wrong on when man found fire, but i do know that man did not populate the earth in great enough numbers to have that kind of influnce on the earth even if we had chain saws and blow torches back then.

dehammer wrote:
"i could be wrong on when man found fire"

Man found fire hundreds of millions of years ago. When we first figured out how to grab a burning branch and use it? Try this link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3557077.stm
1.5 million years ago. Long enough ago for you acknowledge my point?

dehammer wrote:
"but i do know that man did not populate the earth in great enough numbers to have that kind of influnce on the earth even if we had chain saws and blow torches back then."

Wrong again mon ami. It takes only a few people making noise to spark a stampede. It takes only one to start a grass fire capable of turning millions of square miles into a smoking cinder.

There is a large amount of documentary evidence that the rise in global CO2 levels equates to the beginning of forest burning by humans.

Here's just one of many items easily found with google.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...p;dopt=Abstract

Please note two things. First this is posted by the National Library of Medicine National Institute of Health. Not by GreenPeace or some other bunch of ecowhiners. Second note the following sentence:

"Global fire indices parallel the increase of atmospheric CO2 concentration recorded in Antarctic ice cores."

I don't make this stuff up. I don't spout Republican, Democrat, Liberal, NeoCon, or Socialist propaganda. This is reality. You need to adjust your thinking accordingly.

there are periods where there are major fires from natures, that does not mean that man had anythign to do with them. just holding a burning brance does not mean he has learned how to use it. it also does not mean he knows how to deforest things.

in case you missed it, they did not figure out which species of humonoid did that. there is strong evidence that our ancestores were not the most advance of humonoid around. the peking man was not in our line and was mummifing their dead when we were just leaving ours to the prediators.

the fires could just as easy be due to a drought that left a large area ripe for range fires.

in addition those things you high lighted were about time 6000 years ago, not 14000. the global warming began 14000 years ago, not 6000 or 1.5 million years ago.

dehammer wrote:
"there are peroids where there are major fires from natures, that does not mean that man had anythign to do with them."

The link yet again:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...p;dopt=Abstract

This time read for comprehension.

And when you are done use google.com to read the many other articles by reputable researchers and reputable colleges and universities. You are spouting balderdash.

"In Europe the significant increase of fire activity is dated approximately 6000 cal. yr ago. In north-eastern North America burning activity was greatest before 7500 years ago, very low between 7500-3000 years, and has been increasing since 3000 years ago."

lets see, global warming began 14000 years ago, there was a periods of increased activity in north america where the native americans were so industilized about 7500 ago (during a period that appears to be a long drought), and then a low period between 7500 and 3000 years go, then a gradual increase for 3000 years. in europe it began about 6000 years ago and has been increasing. since man has been increasing in eruope for that same time, i can see that perhaps we had something to do with the deforestions from 6000 years ago. but that still does not have anything to do with 14000 years ago. your reply is still short 8000 years.

"And when you are done use google.com to read the many other articles by reputable researchers and reputable colleges and universities. You are spouting balderdash"

i will be happy to as soon as i find a article written by someone not paid to find proof that man is reponsible for the global waming. thats like asking some of Bush's best friends to write a report on weither or not Bush has been good for the country. of couse, they will show unanimously that he is great for the country. the same is true for ppl paid to find proof that man's polution is reponsible for it, or those paid for by companies that want to prove that man is not responsible. i tried to google it, and every thing i found was paid for by environmental concerned groups or by oil companies. guess what. they complete disagreed on what the cause was. go figure. :rolleyes:

when you find one written by someone that is not paid for by one side or the other, let me know. i seriously doubt you will as they will likely say, "what man made global warming"

dehammer wrote:
"lets see, global warming began 14000 years ago,"

I said read for comprehension and then go to google and learn something.

What you might find is that a natural trend has been superceded by a man-made trend.

But then that might conflict with your already made up mind ... so you just continue this purposeless argumentative nonsense with yourself.

DA Morgan wrote
"What you might find is that a natural trend has been superceded by a man-made trend."

please explain this. the trend was there already. its been going exactly the same as it was before, with perhaps a little acceleration. how is this "superceded by man made trend". unless im missing something here, the trend was there exaclty as it is now. warming periods of an ice age are called interglacerial periods. they can last for 30, 40 thousand years. this one has lasted 14000 years, and may be the end of this ice age. as the saying goes, all good things must come to an end, and that does include ice ages. how is a man made trend that is exactly what nature was already doing, different.

let me try to explain it too you. sunlight is reflected off ice, back into space. as the ice disappears the is less reflected and more absorbed by the land and sea mass. that means higher tempature and more ice melts. you can watch this yourself some winter that there is snow on the ground. as long as there is lots of snow, it melts slowly, but as the ice and snow melt off, it melts faster.

i did learn something from googling global warming. the scare mongers are putting a lot of money into convenicing ppl to send money for their researchers. they are as bad as the religious organization. of course, you could argue that this is their religion

dehammer:

Which part of:
"so you just continue this purposeless argumentative nonsense with yourself."

Didn't you understand?

your right. when someone is so unwilling to listen to truth and is as willing as you to resort to insults when there is no way to get around the truth someone shows you, there is no need for further discussion. i will not follow you into trading insults. ive given you proof your not willing to see.