Science a GoGo's Home Page Forums General Discussion Physics Forum Dear ORAC I use C to explain Earth's speed

http://youtu.be/z3T8eWOsIXI

light always go isotropy !!!
not exist C+ Vearth !!!

CAMERA IS MOVING WITH EARTH

My problem Newton is I see only two sorts of aberration in your movie and if you want to lose the aberrations use your eye instead of the camera.

Do you understand it is a lens problem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_aberration

If you want me to prove it use multiple light sources pointed down at the ground instead of just one and look at them with the camera

You will see this ...



The other way is break the image into 4 quadrants and take four images with the light centered in each quadrant and you will see the aberration angle and shape moves so it has nothing to do with earth movement because you wont change camera position.

The angulation of your ring is cause because the light in your image is not dead center to the lens.

When you do it with multiple sources you will see the angle changes relative to the position of the light source on the lens

You have a secondary less pronounced lens problem called flare.

Here is a more detailed background
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/knowhow/knowhow15.html


So the answer is if I do your test in my lab Newton because my lens is worth many thousands of dollars and is pretty close to perfect what I see is newtons rings .. no not named after you but a different Newton



So no I wont see your aberration in my lab.

Hope that makes sense to you.

Dear Orac thank You that You want to help ( sorry for my english )

Ok problem ???

....ORAC ----> Vo
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....Maciej -----> Vo

You and me are in space we have the same velocity Vo
Orac turn on/off perpedicular to Vo laser only for 0,001 s

PLEASE REMEBER THAT NOT EXIST C+ Vo ( it is fact ) !!!

if Vo = 0 I will see light
if Vo = 10000 km/s exist aberation or we have"lens problem ?"

here You can ask respect to what 10000km/s


We were in point 1 and we are in point 2
please study moving source

http://www2.astro.psu.edu/users/cpalma/astro10/Images/FG02_22.JPG

Not exist C+ Vo so .. we are sending isotropy signal in each point where we were

You Turn On /Off laser but where I will see light

study animation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aberrationlighttimebeaming.gif



please study below picture

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xCq4esIpFmw/USouSs6D9-I/AAAAAAAAAqo/AMikzS7lwxU/s1600/xxx.JPG

( the same time and light made distance "a"
but intensity ( imagine what will register many sensors on opposite wall ?)
how many lines per distance (Vo and 2Vo) ?

/ laser's power is the same we can confirm by volts*amm what about aberration what is the reason ?


I want you ask about luminosity ( brightness )
Can we use lab and test it !!!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KI2cl357Lyk/UgeORFNsAFI/AAAAAAAABHo/xRsMVPkcRBY/s1600/CIMG2579.JPG

I already did first test
> > > http://youtu.be/XF_npmQ8kGY

First pictures brightness :
west ( -30km/s ) and East (+30 km/s ) mistake ???
> > > http://youtu.be/O9k-zidfJZg

my first prototype was very easy

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vTs64GjGxJo/UVRWqhB1PyI/AAAAAAAAAwY/heVb8diniyU/s1600/DopekN.JPG








WHY ? TARGET WHY I WAN TO DO THIS TEST ?





GALLILEO below paragraph is right now in all books
" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).
This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .
The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity."

MAROSZ ( me ) ???
" (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them)." ?!
"This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s)" ?!

We can recognize velocity and we no need use other objects ( Stars ) we can use fact confirmed by Michelson Morley light's velocity = only C not exist C+ V source

Ring 1/point 1 ...Ring 2 /p2 ..... and luminosity = "apparatuses " that is not moving with Us ?!?!


DOPPLER AMPLITUDE SHIFT not ONLY RED/BLUE

Sun and Earth were in point 1 ( SUN started signal 1 )
after 6 minutes Earth and Sun are in point 4 ( do You understand Luminosity different -Winter ? what will be after six months !? - for aberration important is only velocity !!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yrD2uFLkznM/Ua6hkakJkII/AAAAAAAAA80/9O4Y-yFYbsY/s1600/222.JPG

My observation

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-InKq1jIj_lQ/UbK9Ky47o9I/AAAAAAAAA9Q/mBhe5uzSBwQ/s1600/F2.JPG

Newton because of your language I am going to go thru your argument very slowly bit by bit. Don't jump ahead but be certain I will walk thru each point.

You are asking and probing questions and doing testing so you are not some theory crazy and I am more than happy to answer what I can.




Now this problem we need to talk about very carefully because the setup is important to what will happen.

Orac and Macie are 1 light second apart.

If we both had atomic clocks and you turned Orac turned off his light at time t on the atomic his clock. If macie looked
down he would see the turn off as happening at t+1 second

So hopefully we agree on that?

Next what do you want to do look at one of us stopped and the other moving or us both still moving but towards each other?

So can you explain which effect you are trying to understand and argue against

1.) Relativistic beaming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_beaming)

OR

2.) Relativistic dopler effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_Doppler_effect)

You sort of mix the two up in the next discussions.

Can you do me one more favour put up 4 images of your light test with the light towards each of the 4 corners so I can check lens issues?

Ok Thank You ( sorry for my english )

we both are moving
( 1 km distance between us )
we are on the Earth we are moving with Earth

between us exist distance 1/300 000 s for light
light speed is C not exist C+ Vearth

Situation 1 N-S

You(edison bulb )
i
i
i
i----> Vo
i
i
i
Me(SENSOR )

Situation 2 N-S

You(edison bulb )
i
i
i
i<----- Vo
i
i
i
Me(SENSOR )

SITUATION 3 W-E


You(hot bulb) -------------Me(sensor) --------> Vo

SITUATION 4 W-E


You(hot bulb) -------------Me (sensor) <-------- Vo



In My home I already confirmed
situation 3 and 4


You --------------Me ------>Vo


between You and me exist distance light need 1/300 000 s
if Vo = 30 km/s = 30 000 000 mm/s

Point1................Point2

... ------100 mm-----You --------------------me

Sensor (me) will register Bulb signal that started in Point 1
We were in point 1 ( bulb started signal in point 1 )
Sensor (me ) registered the signal when You and me are in point 2 ( 100 mm distance later )


**** IDEAL OPPOSITE SITUATION ( -30 km/s)
sensor will travel ideal opposite to signal ******

.............................Point 1
Me (sensor) --------------- You (bulb ) -------> 30km/s


Point1...............Point2
... ------100mm-----Me --------------------You

Ideal opposite situation Sensor will register signal
100mm closer


**********************************

I have strong example ( Sun ----Earth --->Vo )
5- 6 minutes distance ???

please study below picture ( what will be after 6 months )

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yrD2uFLkznM/Ua6hkakJkII/AAAAAAAAA80/9O4Y-yFYbsY/s1600/222.JPG

For photografy very important is distance
more closer = more brightness it is natural rule that we understand

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KI2cl357Lyk/UgeORFNsAFI/AAAAAAAABHo/xRsMVPkcRBY/s1600/CIMG2579.JPG

My test in home
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ncyo7TBLsjE/UVRty4WVV4I/AAAAAAAAAwo/ol2p-tM6KpE/s1600/maroszAD.JPG


Profesional definition - Luminosity

http://solarsytemspeed.blogspot.com/

Okay I think I am beginning to understand you think that in situation 3 and 4 the speed of light is different?

The answer is no it isn't the relative speed between them is different but the speed of light is the same.

Let me give you the simplest example and lets see if you understand

Lets take two lights and face them away from each other in a back to back position and we turn them on

<------ TORCH1 | TORCH2 ------>

Lets look at the first photon to leave each torch.

The first photon to leave torch 1 is doing the speed of light (c) and the photon to leave torch 2 is doing the speed of light (c)

The two photons are thus moving apart at c+c = 2c or twice the speed of light.

So the photons are separating at twice the speed of light but the speed of light is still constant and (c).


So that's the worse case example of your examples 3 & 4 and was actually a thought experiment of Einstein.

Is that what is confusing you?

I will give you a hint at the answer to this thought experiment and it tells you something important ..... "photon" versus "observer".

NO there is no different speed !!!

LIGHT ALWAYS NEED THE SAME TIME FOR DISTANCE 5 meters

question is how many meters during this time will make Your own coordination system ???

look

Bulb -----5meters-----Camera ------>10 m/s

Bulb -----5meters-----Camera ------>1000 m/s


10m/s,1000 m/s
( respect to point where bulb and the camera were )


for distance 5 meters light need time T

Time T and 10 m/s give L distance

Time T and 1000 m/s give 100 L distance


Why distance is important ? please see what is it brightness ?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KI2cl357Lyk/UgeORFNsAFI/AAAAAAAABHo/xRsMVPkcRBY/s1600/CIMG2579.JPG

How to read doppler rings ? moving source ?
point 1 ring 1 ( not exist C+ V source )

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NIRPGlmY9Tw/Ualtt_yXisI/AAAAAAAAA7w/IKotONfnhD8/s1600/compass.JPG

TARGET ?? TARGET WHY ABOVE IS VERY IMPORTANT ?
I started half year ago exist many question that I did not solve

GALLILEO below paragraph is right now in all books
" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).
This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .
The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity."

MAROSZ ( me ) ???
" (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them)." ?!
"This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s)" ?!


Energy Interpretation of inertia ?

Water always flow from mountains to sea .

Marosz - energy always want to escape there where feel lower resistance !!!

what if ? what if ? ( I can ask )
exist absolute montion ???

m=1kg
V= 2 m/s
Ek= 2 jouls

...............M -----> 2m/s

to stop mass M I need use minim. 2 Jouls
how many energy I need to change speed from 2 m/s ----> 4m/s
to change speed I need 6 Jouls

...6jouls...VS......2 jouls
(Mountains).......( Sea level )


Classical mechanic exeriment and electronica and electrica
West --- East direction 30 km/s and 220 km/s

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3EPlifUKbIQ/UZ...oppler+ROOT.JPG

more easy test Vibration
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sJL9StdvhyM/UWqxyns_v7I/AAAAAAAAAyg/e8ol2utisMA/s1600/02.jpg

24 h test 3 step pendulum

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f5ePcsjT4QM/UaHJ11rJaeI/AAAAAAAAA7U/PdbxaUBmgCc/s1600/earth+facu.JPG

ELECTRIC ENERGY AND RESISTANCE DIRECTION

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fx0GGeAqoQg/URvnJJDPNUI/AAAAAAAAApU/oqxLrnuSw7I/s1600/32.JPG

ELECTRONIC VERSION (SIGNAL MODULATION ) we can use wire or optical wire
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2QdCDlfb5BU/UOpwa00dYPI/AAAAAAAAAdo/LOZkyFJvQt8/s1600/FrfL2.JPG

My FIRST TEST IDEA WAS VERY OLD

please see only three first pictures

http://www.maroszvsnewton.cba.pl/10.pdf

I am not sure what you are disagreeing with in the above example light is ALWAYS MOVING AT C.

You have >>>TWO<< objects each moving at C they can move at any relative speed between -2C and 2C depending on whether they are moving towards each other or away from each other.

You need to explain what you think is wrong???




That is exactly what Einstein says .. hence the speeds are RELATIVE and his theory is called RELATIVITY.

You are correct in what you have said there and Galileo was wrong.


I am going to ignore interpretation at the moment because it is not clear to me exactly what you see as problem.


Don't jump ahead we will get to implications I need to be clear of this stuff to check there are no problems.

You agree entirely with Einstein at the moment from what I can see.


There is no point talking about interpretation yet because there is another hurdle to cross which is observation.

I am going to give a separate problem with two rockets in next post.

Okay we are going to change the two photons moving away from each other with rockets that do 0.6 the speed of light and moving away from each other.


<---- 0.6c ---- ROCKET 1| ROCKET 2 ---- 0.6c ----->


Now this is where things get interesting.

The two rockets are moving away from each other at 1.2c that is a fact however you will never see that and that's why it gets interesting.

Even from side on like I have drawn the two rockets as they pull away will be red shifted via Doppler movement and you will see them moving much slower than they really are.

So you will observer the relative movements of the two rockets as below the speed of light.

The important bit that usually confuses people with relativity is they think that a combined speed of two objects can't exceed the speed of light.

That is incorrect Relativity says you can not directly observe movements faster than the speed of light and also that no ONE object can move faster than the speed of light.


So you need to be careful when doing these problems are we talking about observation or calculation.

In the above example even though you observe the rockets doing slower than the speed of light you can calculate the correct speeds correctly by measuring the red shift.

So Relativity says you can never directly observe a speed greater than c. However you can calculate speeds greater than the speed of light and valid range of two objects is -2c to 2c.

The difference between calculated speed and observed speed is the thing that most confuses people with relativity.

I am checking you are not falling into this trap.

In your examples vo+c if you are talking about a calculated speed is perfectly valid within relativity you haven't broken any rules. If you are talking that you can directly observe vo+c then we need to find what is wrong.

Dear Orac

Please see animation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aberrationlighttimebeaming.gif


ok

after animation

not exist C+ V ( fact)
below picture = huge model ( solar system )

Sun and Earth were in point 1 .
Sun started in point 1 ring 1 ( it is 3D ball wave not ring )
after 6 minutes Sun and the Earth are in Point 4

Question for You what will be after six months. In my opinion if exist any constant velocity ( IF - I ask only I'm not sure )
after six months Earth will register more brightness signal

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yrD2uFLkznM/Ua6hkakJkII/AAAAAAAAA80/9O4Y-yFYbsY/s1600/222.JPG


Ok lets back to My test in home
Can You imagine flashlight on the table in Your room
please remember about aberration and look what is brightness for me


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KI2cl357Lyk/UgeORFNsAFI/AAAAAAAABHo/xRsMVPkcRBY/s1600/CIMG2579.JPG


I'm absolutly sure that exist constant velocity in my room
I hope that in Your also ( Very important is right now make test in lab )

Parallel test ( Camera + 30 km/s and - 30 km/s )
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ncyo7TBLsjE/UVRty4WVV4I/AAAAAAAAAwo/ol2p-tM6KpE/s1600/maroszAD.JPG

And perpendicular test
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-BD-DL7ZOX7g/UNHCT8ZOoqI/AAAAAAAAATo/zsmVlarBY_A/s1600/1a.JPG

Not exist C + V exist only C for distance between camera and the sensor light need time {Tad} time ?? time ??

Earth not wait during time Tad my home or Lab is moving

Light signal is isotropy but camera is moving so can not register
somthing that is isotropy . Camera see anisotropy because is moving



My Method is very simply and very important we can do below test
for physics right now it is impossible

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zD3SHCNAlkE/UK8ogrlmPiI/AAAAAAAAAPk/LqngqVuepwI/s1600/e1.JPG


DOPPLER efect it is not only RED/BLUE SHift ( but in special condition we have AMPLITUDE SHIFT ) please study below

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-InKq1jIj_lQ/UbK9Ky47o9I/AAAAAAAAA9Q/mBhe5uzSBwQ/s1600/F2.JPG



THANK YOU THAT YOU TRY READ MY ENGLISH
PRESENT FOR YOU LAST PICTURE = COUTEREXAMPLE TO TWIN PARADOX
Your two opposite rocket

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a_wgnv45i0A/UgEezhO67NI/AAAAAAAABGU/zLuS34MDgFY/s640/twins.JPG


Right now I need support from Universities In my head is more question and test ....

INERTIA PROBLEM ??????????

IF exist absolute space ( IF ??? )

M= 1 kg
V= 2m/s
Ek= 2 Jouls

To absolute stop mass M I need use 2 jouls energy opposite to velocity

If I want to change mass M velocity from 2m/s ----> 4m/s I must invest 6 jouls

Exist very good rule WATER always flow from Mountain to Sea level

Energy always escape to direction where is more easy escape

Test that we can made

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3EPlifUKbIQ/UZ...oppler+ROOT.JPG

Very simple test Pendulum but ( only 3 steps and 24 h test )

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f5ePcsjT4QM/UaHJ11rJaeI/AAAAAAAAA7U/PdbxaUBmgCc/s1600/earth+facu.JPG


WHY WE MUST DO ABOVE TEST WHY ?????

GALLILEO below paragraph is right now in each books ( physics )
" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).
This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .
The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity."


BR TO ALL PEOPLE THAT LIKE ASK !!!

MACIEJ MAROSZ INVENTOR and Engineer
http://tesla4.blogspot.com/

I hope before my die people will start rocket opposite to main Earth's constant velocity > rocket will stop and no need use fuel Earth and Sun will go ( rocket will wait ... )

I'm waiting right now ... help me !!!

Newton you need to stop posting on with discussion till we resolve the basics .. I can't discuss them because I am sure that you have an error right here.

Do you see the animation above...

It represents an OBSERVER ... that is vitally important you realize.


Your animation correctly shows there is no C+V for an observer that is true.

However C+V does exist for TWO objects in reality.

In the back to back torch example the separation speed is 2c and that is perfectly fine and in the rocket example the ships are really moving apart at 1.2c and that is fine.

Many students initially wrongly think that the two space ships above shouldn't be able to move apart at 1.2c. Relativity says no object can go faster than the speed of light it doesn't say the combined speed of two objects can't. The confusion comes about because you will never observe faster than light speed the ships always look to be moving slower than they really are no matter what frame you choose but you can deduce the 1.2c from calculation.

Your example you gave initially and showed a calculation involves a photon not an observer and c+v is perfectly legal for it.

An axiom of relativity is a photon or anything moving at the speed of light can not be an observer .. I will discuss why in a bit if we can get thru this bit.

So discuss only the above Newton for the moment because the rest of what you think is based upon this and I think you are missing something vital and obvious which is the difference between "reality" and "observed".

Ok more fast will be speak about below test
only about test
( I have pictures in home I can sent you )

1 I not add any two speed !
2 You saw animation so You can understand that bulb was in point 1 and started light's wave in point 1


Fact 1 PHOTOGRAPHY - distance is very important for photography very important is POINT !!! where light started and point where the sensor register light
( Luminosity = fundaments for each photograph )


camera 1----5m-----bulb ----5 m ---- camera2 ---> 30 km/s


we have two ideal the same cameras

light always need time Tad for 5 meters distance
Question
what during this time are doing two cameras and Earth ?
( NOT EXIST C+ Vearth = FACT !!!)

Camera 1 and Camera 2 everyone see that camera1 will be more closer the point where signal started and camera 2 escape from the point where signal started

I have pictures You can repeat my test You ( different brightness ) . I also set two cameras on direction 220 km/s ( we can measure proportional stronger differet brightness )


Absolute montion???
can change Point where the signal will be register ( point where light will touch the sensors )


how I made my test ( 24 h test )
it was not profesional but only this I can do

http://youtu.be/XF_npmQ8kGY

very important is dark filtre ( on picture I use doppler graph only to expalin camera position it is not RED/BLUE shift but Distance change )

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ncyo7TBLsjE/UVRty4WVV4I/AAAAAAAAAwo/ol2p-tM6KpE/s1600/maroszAD.JPG

camera has got 190 000 points
( 11 Mb raw file format full matryce)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z-QNeD8GGfk/UKvBX7v8yaI/AAAAAAAAAPE/v9MmERZS29Y/s1600/photo.JPG

- there were zero points that ADOBE PHOTOSHOP 10 read
and evaluate as a the same brightness

I don't know ADOBE algoritms and I don't know NIKON algoritms ( company secret ) but on graph all looks like below

first pictures
( brightness - photoshop 10 histogram)
west ( -30km/s ) and East (+30 km/s )

> http://youtu.be/O9k-zidfJZg

There is a MASSIVE problem with your test .. it is HUGE.

It's not in a vaccum

Do you see how you can see the red beam travelling thru the air in the video .... Do you understand why you can see it?

Air is absorbing the photons and re-emitting them you are not testing what you think you are testing

Do you understand how light slows when it enters a media because light only travels at one speed and that is "c".

So think and probably read how light slows down in a media.

In your test you most definitely have a media called "air" it is not a vaccuum and something important is happening

See why I need to check everything because like your lense problem before you need to be very careful if you get facts wrong down here you reach the wrong conclusion as you develop your argument up.

Here let me make it more obvious

Speed of light in a vacuum is -: 2.99 x 10^8 ms^-1

Speed of light in air = 2.99 x 10^8 / 1.003 = 2.981 x 10^8 ms^-1

Speed of light in water = 2.99 x 10^8 / 1.333 = 2.2431 x 10^8 ms^-1

So I need to go through each step of your claim very carefully and why I ask you not to jump ahead.

I should say Newton I think what you are doing and have noticed is exactly this

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-12/tum-fed122211.php

There is a german version on the link if it helps.

I don't think you will have enough accuracy to measure the effect but noticing the effect itself is pretty good.

Not bad for someone off a limited science background and I am very impressed. Okay you didn't bring Einstein down but you noticed something important

They have stabilized the air conditions temperature and pressure and have the lasers spinning to improve the accuracy and effect.

Very intresting link ( I must study )
THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU HAVE GOOD KNOWLEDGE ABOUT EINSTEIN AND THIS WHAT IS RIGHT NOW IN BOOKS

( I did't know nothing HALF year I joust read -- I like ask my self how machine work - I'm mechanical engineer zero physics before I started )


it is not so bad situation look for my tool ?
( photocamera = magic box I also read books about camera please read how to set manual camera please buy old camera for start ZENIT is good right now is cheap everyone like DIGITAL )

What is very nice for my test !!

1 luminosity and distance relation it is Square function ( very srtong relation for math )

2 Verry Verry important is !dark filtre !


Your eyes -- dark dark glass ---------SUN

look 150 000 000 km if dark filtre x100 Your Eyes register
150 000 000 x 10 !!!

Very nice is also camera focus ( how big window camera open for light )

Very nice is also camera time

bulb ---- camera ( time 1 s )
bulb ---- camera (picture time 2 sek )
.... ---- ..... ( picture time 10 sek


VACUUM is very important ( this is problem )

Look I tried contact with LIGO ( they HAVE DREAM LABORATORY )!!!

4 km pipe and VACUUM http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/

very nice will be made test
I'm sure that They have a problem with strait line ( I spoke with my friend engineer ROAD buil it is very hard build ideal strait road nobody is sure what will be after finish ) ??

Somone from LIGO inform me that they not have technical possibility to make my test ( I kindly asked about not official test only 50 meters long ???

ABERRATION IS SOMTHING EXITING ( my problem is in each optical tool that You have in your lab 24h period mistake @!!!


better is test electric wire
I not have good condition

but

"+" ---------25 meters wire ----------"-" ------> 30 km/s


"-" ---------25 meters wire ----------"+" < ----- 30 km/s


oscyloscope and good Ohm tools


I'm absolutly sure that we have new physics !!!

constant velocity exist also for classical mechanic

below test Is also my idea ( two the same hamers and long rope
25 meters --- 50 meters ( west east direction )

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sJL9StdvhyM/UWqxyns_v7I/AAAAAAAAAyg/e8ol2utisMA/s1600/02.jpg

Above test = Beal telephon test ( we can use electromagnetic hamers )


Right Now I'm very happ that You understand my IDEA step by step person by person

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

I need do somthing with my knowledge please speak with Your friends ? I'm only engineer I never wrote nothing

I know one this what is here in that post Is very important for Our Children

Look NASA can start rocket -ideal opposite to main earth velocity
Rocket will slown down or absolute stop

( it will be very long travel and zero fuel !!! )
we need this rocket ( radio signal from this rocket can set time for Our clocks it will be absolute time )

Rocket will wait Earth and Sun will escape = zero fuel and very long trip

Thank You again that I'm not alone ? how to inform many people
HEY we Have New Physics !!!
no ( they think That next crayzy guy speak something stupid or mix facts )

Right now I don't know nothing all is in my brain
I dream start make test !!!

My head and 5 years engineer job exp. can help people in any lab
I can help prepare tool test -- right now I live in getto small polish town ( I wait for people WHO are ready WAKE UP from relative dream )!!!!

BR Maciej Marosz
engineer and inventor " Your city can fly - design vision "


http://tesla4.blogspot.com/


I hope that nobody will use my idea for own books without respect to this what I did

http://solarsytemspeed.blogspot.com/

Yep you definitely need a vacuum to test what you are after.

NASA and the private company SpaceX have very large ones but I am sure the European space agency would have to have one to test all there spaceship parts etc which would be closer to you.

vacuum !?

laser ------------1 km vacuum -----------sensor

in above test we can also confirm gravitation and light cooperation. Velcity will be able change power of signal gravitation --- will change direction ???




VACUUM PROBLEM and YOUR IDEA "AIR slown down light "

I don't know but ??? ???

James Bradley 1730 and astronomy Aberration
( Draconis STAR - far far star between Earth and Star exist Vacuum he evaluated light speed very good I think that 11 km high - Air level eround Earth = very small problem more way from Draconis star light signal made in vacuum !!!)

???

I think that air is not a problem but I don't know

In my brain I see Your model it can look like below
Forces between atoms and light exist like for two masses m ( similar to gravitation relation between masses )

look here is my picture

Exist option that ligh when go inside air ( air have montion )
is "more closer" air's athoms ???

see picture
light escape from the sun but sun ( gravitation ) want to keep ligh six month later light more easy escape from SUN " Sun is more far from ligh that started "

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-agRtwFCVnPE/UYndx-VIeVI/AAAAAAAAA3c/lvRaonCImP4/s1600/WSM.JPG

I' don't know I don't know ????

Right now I know one --- Exist absolute montion
and Each coordination system has got own special velocity

constant velocity can change this what we measure or sea ( not dirctly ) but each tool that we use have got this mistake

absollute montion can change and will change the universe model


Step by Step plan

1 build team ( we need support from people who like theory )
also we need start two test type

1 classical mechanic
- pendulum
- vibration
- inertia in space ships

2 Light
parallel test
perpendicular test
perpendicular test we must evaluate below problem I already confirmed ( my old laser not work )

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-C8SSEqbpoQA/UarYNAS4ziI/AAAAAAAAA8k/L4wq9gAz1jY/s1600/mmproblem.JPG

vacuum , water , air , oil ...

3 electric - wire - and electromagnetic ( area around wire and absolute montion )

many different material

4 magnetic research
Famous Mr Einsten experiment ( Airplane and atomic clock ) I think that athom period have got relation with absolute montion )


Airplane velocity - rocket velocity
Radio-wave and light

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PqEJjEZQisM/UKjVcJCGp9I/AAAAAAAAALs/0XOxA_hceK4/s1600/wwwwwwwwwwwww.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AdDum0dDSQY/UK...66666666666.JPG

Astronomy ( milions new information !!!!!)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yrD2uFLkznM/Ua6hkakJkII/AAAAAAAAA80/9O4Y-yFYbsY/s1600/222.JPG

Doppler = RED /BLUE shift AND ( MAROSZ's LUMINOSITY SHIFT )

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-InKq1jIj_lQ/UbK9Ky47o9I/AAAAAAAAA9Q/mBhe5uzSBwQ/s1600/F2.JPG

sky mechanica ( classical model )
Earth takeform sun energy Each body when feel hot change own main dimenssion

??? black holes model
EXPLAIN DARK MATTER PROBLEM AND BLACK HOLES MODEL

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7aNEnYJIEBU/UVRx1T-PBjI/AAAAAAAAAww/UVzA5j7ymfU/s1600/black+holes.JPG

I SEE AIRPLANE BUT I CAN NOT HEAR AIRPLAIN ?
WHAT IF I NOT SEE AND NOT HEAR AIRPLAINE

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QDhADrDXABA/UVl_hphDVsI/AAAAAAAAAxc/skybrn6FqbQ/s1600/darkmaterr.JPG



MAROSZ's AETHER MODEL

below IDEA can be the best computer CPU model ( many diffrernt HZ - zero HOT problem ( zero signal lost ) - gravitation is able help us change information's adress ) many informations in one and the same time ( ideal parallel magistrale )

5 Climate reearch ( if we slowing down -- I think that we slowing down very slowly ) we can see weater and climate change

-- Earth Quake line ???

6 Animal reaserch - Why big fish -whales sing ?? animal have compass in head ?


What we need do at first
A ) we must build the best sensor ( the sensor must work 3D directions ( many directions in one time )

B ) We need have international constant points (obseratory where will be the sensors - we must measure and monitoring Earth montion )

tests from point B) must be public people who measure in lab other problem must know mistake

we need test above idea underground , and sea , and mountais
and space

Very important points will be Old Interferometer ( for example LIGO )

Without any problem NIKON or SONY or PENTAX or MINOLTA or FUJI or CANNON
will be open for cooperation with universities ( FIRS PICTURE I MADE and I use NIKON - very good camera

I wait for people who UNderstand what I did ( I started new cleare page -----!!!!)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zD3SHCNAlkE/UK8ogrlmPiI/AAAAAAAAAPk/LqngqVuepwI/s1600/e1.JPG

BR MAciej Marosz
Inventor and Engineer
http://tesla4.blogspot.com/

Ok let me expain this


When a photon encounters a media particle what it does is get absorbed into the media molecule a short time later the molecule pops back out and continues on its way. The momentum is always conserved in the absorb and re-emission but there is a problem we will talk about.

So a basic photon travel in media looks like this

---- c ----- delay ----- c ----- delay ----- c ---->

So the light varies between the speed of light and delays in the absorbing and re-emission by media molecules.

So lets talk about your laser in your tests moving thru air:

While the light is absorbed inside the air molecule sometimes the molecule gets knocked by another air molecule and it changes direction. When it re-emits it goes in the wrong direction because its momentum was relative to the molecules when it entered. This is the process of how you can see the beam moving thru the air even though the beam starts out completely arranged along its path like all lasers do. That is also why its very dull side on but bright looking end on into it. If you increased the air pressure the beam will get brighter and brighter to you from side on because that process is more and more likely to happen. Besides from that effect you also have dust and pollution etc in the air that are reflecting and scattering the beam.

So in a vacuum you should be able to guess what happens if you understood all that ... the laser becomes invisible side on.


You can also make light spin by the same absorbed molecule trick ... here

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2011/jul/05/rotating-cylinder-puts-a-new-spin-on-slow-light




The important things to note.

- Light doesn't really travel at any speed other than 'c' even in a media

- The slowing of light in a media is created by the absorption and re-emission delays

- The light momentum is preserved relative to the molecule at absorption if the molecule moves while absorbed the re-emission relative to the new moved position.


Those effects have big implications for what you are trying to test because any media on earth spins with the earth and the lights movement gets affected by the earths movement.

The effect is really not noticeable to us because we also spin with the earth but it does foul up what you are try to test

Dear orac If You have right we schould try this test !!!

policarbon pipe ( transparency material ) inside pipe we have water Vw velocity

Laser beam go and cross Pipe ( prpendicular ) we need check what will happen if we will rise up water's velocity Vw
if You have right Vw rise up and position of laser change

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0BXW-xN6ewKNWFkQWg2ZXRhQUk/edit?usp=sharing

before start we can calibrate hot laser when Vw = 0
we need made above test in very short time 1- 2 sec

we need wait 24 h and repeat we have to eliminate earth around sun velocity




BR Thank You that You have BRAIN ... Your interpretation is very close ---> true ( Air = mass m that have velocity if body is moving rise problem for light to cross body ? )



electric test (ohm and oscyloscope )



"+"------------25 meters wire ----------"-" --30 km/s-->


"-"------------25 meters wire ----------"+" --30 km/s-->


???? wire's inertia = different resistance for Energy ???


Classical mechanic ( we have many new facts )

--F1--> M <--F2-- ---------> 30 km/s ( constant velocity )

Newton F1 = F2
New test and above ???
F1 > F2


Gravitation

M------m -------> 30 km/s


m------M -------> 30 km/s

for Newton above situation is symetry
for me we have asymetry !!!