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#49328 07/29/13 12:17 AM
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So says Dr. Eugene McCarthy, one of the top Geneticists in the World.
And is certainly the top man in the world for studying the actual Hybridization
of hundreds of disimilar animals, with factual backups.

Dr. Eugene McCarthy has amassed an impressive body of evidence suggesting that human origins can be best explained by hybridization between forest pigs and chimpanzees, a few million years ago.
Extraordinary theories require extraordinary evidence and McCarthy does not disappoint. Rather than relying on genetic sequence comparisons, he instead offers extensive anatomical comparisons, each of which may be individually assailable, but startling when taken together. Why weren't these conclusions arrived at much sooner? McCarthy suggests it is because of an over-dependence on genetic data among biologists. He argues that humans are probably the result of multiple generations of backcrossing to chimpanzees, which in nucleotide sequence data comparisons would effectively mask any contribution from pig.

His impressive 5 page article below, is sure to upset Moslems,
Bible thumpers, and Creationists, among others, but remember
he is the Worlds top expert in Hybridization.

http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html#at_pco=cfd-1.0&at_ord=0


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That's already been done. I remember a science fiction story from many years ago about a doctor that realized we were descended from pigs. I made a quick search and couldn't find a reference to it.

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I would expect that over the history of history cross breeding
has happened , and produced hybrids.

as in this monkey / pig hybrid.


could that be why YOU will never find a human in a mirror.

we see them everywhere , we eat them , for breakfast , for thanksgiving dinner.

whats your point.

I bet the next time you see one of these signs
you might wonder about its true meaning.



I noticed that the hoof is replaced by stubby fingers
and a thumb , which mammal should this monkey/pig be bred
with to further the advancement into a human being?

it looks like the monkey/pig needs longer legs , should we
lengthen his legs or shorten all of Mankinds legs so that he can be used to better represent evolution?

what do you think?



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Ah, found it: Alan E Nourse, "Family Resemblance"

All I had to do was go to RASFW and do a YASID (Yet Another Story ID) on it and somebody popped right up with the answer.

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PIG CHIMP HYBRIDS: A CLOSER LOOK AT THE HUMAN HYBRIDS THEORY

This is a serious update to a very controversial subject
There are a number of Scientific believers to the various Animal/Animal Hybrids

And a number of disbelivers who would like nothing better than to strangle Dr E. McCarthy

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There was considerable fallout, both positive and negative, from our first story covering the radical pig-chimp hybrid theory put forth by Dr. Eugene McCarthy, a geneticist who's proposing that humans first arose from an ancient hybrid cross between pigs and chimpanzees. Despite the large number of comments, here at Phys.org, on macroevolution.net, and on several other discussion forums, little in the way of a scientific consensus has emerged. By and large, those coming out against the theory had surprisingly little science to offer in their sometimes personal attacks against McCarthy.

As many critics noted, the advancement of scientific knowledge does not require disproving every radical theory that comes along. Lots of incorrect theories exist that cannot, for all practical purposes, be formally disproven. It seems, however, that decent arguments against the hybrid origins theory are surprisingly hard to find, and moreover, the established elders of the field, well, they know it.

We decided it would be worthwhile to take a closer look at the objections that were most commonly offered against the hybrid hypothesis. Chief among them was that the chromosome differences here are just too large to support a viable hybrid. One of the previous examples we gave, the zedonk (zebra parent, 2n=44, donkey parent, 2n=62), can and does result in female hybrid offspring that have been reported to produce offspring in backcrosses. The same is true for the geep (sheep, 2n=54, and goat 2n=60). While the reduction in fertility associated with large differences of this sort is often severe, the existence of fertile hybrids, particularly in backcrosses, invalidates this objection.
Another argument was that the morphological distance, or genetic differences besides chromosome number, are just too great. Most of us are familiar with the platypus. A paper published in Nature a few years ago demonstrated that the platypus genome contains both bird and mammal chromosomes, and therefore that the vastly different bird and mammal sex chromosome systems have been successfully bridged by this creature. This example is not offered as any kind of proof. But it does suggest that sometime, long ago, a cross occurred that would have been even more distant than that between a chimpanzee and a pig one between a otter-like mammal and a duck-like bird. And if such was the case, the hybrids from the cross must have been able to produce offspring (otherwise they would have died out, and the platypus would not exist today).
The objection that mating between such different animals is just too strange has been addressed at length on McCarthy's website. Ample counterexamples have been given there and elsewhere, including the evidence for matings, without issue, between such strange pairings as a buck rabbit with female cat (or even with a domestic hen), or a dog with a monkey, or with a swan goose. In general, as McCarthy points out, it has long been known that many organisms, as adults, prefer to mate with whatever animal they are exposed to at the critical early stage in their lives when sexual imprinting occurs.
He also notes that it is not as if his hypothesis that humans are pig-chimp hybrids has not been tested. Under the alternative hypothesis (humans are not pig-chimp hybrids), the assumption is that humans and chimpanzees are equally distant from pigs. You would therefore expect chimp traits not seen in humans to be present in pigs at about the same rate as are human traits not found in chimps. However, when he searched the literature for traits that distinguish humans and chimps, and compiled a lengthy list of such traits, he found that it was always humans who were similar to pigs with respect to these traits. This finding is inconsistent with the possibility that humans are not pig-chimp hybrids, that is, it rejects that hypothesis.

Also raised was the argument that pigs and humans might have converged anatomically as a result of longstanding animal husbandry, not limited to but perhaps including genes carried over by retroviruses. If that is, in fact, a general mechanism that operates behind the scenes, then we might justifiably askwhy don't a lot of the traits that distinguish us from primates connect us with dogs, with whom we have obviously lived, at close quarters, since prehistoric times? Why is it only pigs?

Another possibility that McCarthy does not recommend, but which several scientists have suggested to him, is producing an actual hybrid. He objects to this approach, not on scientific, but humanitarian grounds. After all, he says, such an experiment might result in an intelligent but non-human creature, much more piglike than any human being, who would have no happy place in our world. He in fact includes such a hybrid, an F1 female, as one of the major characters in The Department, his kindle book satire of academic life. In it he observes, "I hope never to meet her in the flesh." You can see McCarthy address some of the issues raised above in greater depth in a podcast that has just been released.

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You might like to revue my writings upon this subject under the heading "HUMANZEE-APE HUMAN CROSS" (on 06/08/2011)

I thought the following item deserves a mention within these postings?
"Spanish Parliament to Extend Human Rights to Apes"

http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKL256586320080625

Now here is the addition to this interesting post.
With the thoughts of RICHARD DAWKINS posted 2nd Jan: 2009.

"How would you feel about a half-human half-chimp hybrid?"

Dawkins speculates about how a human-chimp hybrid or the discovery of a living Homo erectus would change the way we see the World.
......>2. A successful hybridisation between a human and a chimpanzee. Even if the hybrid were infertile like a mule, the shock waves that would be sent through society would be salutary. This is why this distinguished biologist described this possibility as the most immoral scientific experiment he could imagine: it would change everything! It cannot be ruled out as impossible, but it would be surprising.
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Richard Dawkins writes more.
But to read it you need to go back to my "HUMANZEE-APE write up.


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are we being numbed down by the insurance industry?

or is this obviously pig targeted commercial merely
an effort by that certain government employee insurance company
nothing more than targeted advertisement to pigs that drive?

you decide.




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Does anyone know if any of the the so-called-holy books--the word of the gods, or of the "one true God" of Jews, Christians & Muslims--say anything about THE HUMAN HYBRIDS THEORY?

All I can offer is a guess and my opinion.


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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
Does anyone know if any of the the so-called-holy books--the word of the gods, or of the "one true God" of Jews, Christians & Muslims--say anything about THE HUMAN HYBRIDS THEORY?

No. There is nothing in any scripture about the human hybrid theory. Tho they do have lots to say about eating pork and Canadians, being they come from the same ancestor.


Originally Posted By: Revlgking

All I can offer is a guess and my opinion.
Can't wait. wink
By the way.. Loved you in the video Paul put up. Good shot of you with the policeman.


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