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The actual population of China is much more than the official figure of 1.6 billion. None of them can innovate. China's missile, nuclear and other programs may be all plagiarism.

Africa has a populace of about 1 billion. None of them can innovate.

Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Arab countries have some population. How many can innovate?

India has a population of well above 1.2 billion. Indians cannot innovate.

The original inhabitants of Americas were uncivilized spear chucking tribals. They could not innovate.

The original inhabitants of Australia and New Zealand were aborigines. They could not innovate.

Countries having European and Soviet origin people have minuscule population. Within that not more than 0.1% can innovate. Leave alone other countries, the percentage may not be higher even in Jewish majority Israel.

The proportion of innovative people may be high in Japan and it’s neighbours but they had to pay a heavy price in the form of earthquakes. Origin in environment of cold climate coupled with frequent earthquakes made Japanese innovative. Only people with certain qualities can survive such conditions. As more earthquakes occur those qualities intensify. A combination of origin in cold climate and earthquakes define the Japanese and adjacent nations. Over umpteen generations this combination moulded and chiseled the Japanese mind into what it is.

IT ALL MEANS A NANOSCOPIC POPULATION IS DRIVING THE WORLD. SO FEW PEOPLE HAVE THE CALIBER TO INNOVATE.

Shruthi ks, How do you decide who can innovate, and who cannot?

I agree with what Bill S said + What are these people (whom you seem to speak of with admiration), supposed to be innovating? Personally I can think of one or two things I wish had never been innovated (or do I mean invented?)

SKS, are you an innovator? If so, in what way? In what branch of philosophy, science and art?

Am I an innovator when I say there are three kinds of science--the hard sciences, the soft sciences and the Oh-my-G0D-what-is-it? kind! &

I would find it difficult to agree that Chinese people (for eg.) cannot innovate- though I am having some difficulty with the term innovate, particularly when it is applies to Nobel winners. Surely most research is built on previous innovation, and so does not warrant the title if the term innovation needs to indicate original thinkers.

The recognition of innovation in this discussion presupposes that innovation is more easily recognised or found in industrialised western (even Jewish/Christian?) societies, whereas in fact some of the most innovative solutions for problems, and innovative answers for unmet needs, may in fact be those in the Third World. There individuals may show greater unrecognised ability than the people who research in well equipped labs in Silicon Valley. It just is not acknowledged by those over-important people running institutions who think that their own opinion is the only one that matters.

Not if what preearth says about Einstein is right.

Shruthi ks, I have just read your OP again. It raises lots of questions, but one I have to ask is: are you Japanese?

The Chinese by the way of the Tao invented gunpowder by the 9th century.
By 1240 AD the Arabs acquired the knowledge.
Irrigation and the formation of civilization occurred in Egypt roughly during the 3150 BC.
Current Hebrew year is 5771 or 2240 in common era and are the basis of all monotheistic religion known in the current era.
Civilization as we know it today may philosophically be linked to the European Renaissance and the Enlightenment which built upon Roman civility and law which were an extension from the Greeks which were influenced by their Persian counterparts; who had ties with the middle east and the northern tip of Africa.
The Mongolian Empire spread Confucian philosophy and government which were implemented sometime in the 5th century BC.
Christianity began within the disenfranchised amongst the slaves of the Roman Empire which eventually converted to Christianity.
During the 20th Century only Russia was able to compete with our version of the Roman Empire (the United States, THE SUPERPOWER OF OUR TIME however you choose to perceive the world) when it came to industry, arms race and the space race.
The Chinese used their innovation in military tactics to give America one of their first drawback in military affairs in 1951 (Korean War).

I think what you want to say is that the mass population will follow thoughts, ideas, technology and basic way of life that trickles down from a small group and eventually is embraced by the mainstream. (i.e. French Revolution was lead by Robespierre and members of the Tennis Court Oath who all were influenced by Rousseau and his counterparts who came a generation before; these people took Rousseau's ideas and implemented them so the common [mostly] illiterate worker and overthrew the MONARCHY/ Karl Lagerfeld (renown fashion designer) designs wardrobe; top of the line models like Abbey Lee, Freja Beha Erichsen, Kate Moss, etc. wear them and are advertised which leads to wealthy consumers to buy them and eventually trickles down to the lower classes to purchase in cheap stores like H&M for $10 a top.