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Originally Posted By: paul

but it shows you can get back what you put in ,


Of course. That's called conservation of energy.

Originally Posted By: paul

and using a vacuum to generate the HHO will return even more.


No, it won't.
It will require less energy to do the electrolysis, but also you will get less energy during the recombination.


I'm still thinking about
"Michael Farraday has shown that 1 liter of HHO can be produced in 1 hour using 2.34 watts or 2.34 watt hours."

Maybe you can calculate the needed energy for electrolysis in your engine:

http://www.hhodevelopment.com/introbasicsofhho.htm

Faradays Law:

V = R I T t / F p z

where:

V = volume of the gas [L],
R = ideal gas constant = 0.0820577 L*atm/(mol*K), = current [A],
T = temperature [K],
t = time [s],
F = Faradays constant = 96485.31 As/mol,
p = ambient pressure [atm],
z = number of excess electrons (2 for H2, 4 for O2).

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thanks Momos

that link has some of the stuff I've seen and was wondering about.
and I like the formula and think I will make a small program that incorporates it , I would think that the ambient pressure could also work in negative pressure also.

Im not so sure about the glass container though , or the
plastic parts as I will want to push its envelope to find
out a few things.

funny , how I read that higher temperature relates to
higher energy consumption , when this web site contradicts that.

also according to that web page I can see where a few high tech gadgets would come in handy when on a road trip.

a gps enabled altimeter to control the HHO output for
instance.

as the atmospheric pressure changes with altitude.

and a gps connected current controller to go with the
altimeter control.

to achieve best engine performance.

and another one a replacement for the cars computer
that already has these included , could also come with a
built in internet connection and a remote monitor screen.

and a coffee machine , for those on the go.
why not your already making hot water in the HHO cell.



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momos

I used the Faraday formula in the link you provided and
made a program that can be used to get results from different
combinations of pressure , vacuum , volts , watts , temperature
and according to my results so far it seems that every time
I use a pressure below 1 atm the amount of HHO generated increases.

at a 15 inch Hg there is a great increase.
and at a 26 inch Hg even greater for instance.
and this increase does not require any additional energy.

I think this program will assist in my HHO generator design.
so once again , thanks.



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