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#28608 - 12/02/08 04:43 AM THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value?
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PART OF A SERIES in dealing with evil--the problem of pain and suffering:
Ellis and fellow egos in cyber space: My ego would like to know how you are doing. If you do not have an ego, please say so. How would we know you are telling the truth?

QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EGO
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What is the ego?
Freud: http://psychology.about.com/od/eindex/g/def_ego.htm
Adler: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/hstein/wie-hs.htm
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MY EGO REALLY ENJOYED THE FOLLOWING ESSAY AND VIDEOS
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http://hubpages.com/hub/How-to-back-down-gracefully-in-an-argument
Scroll down near the bottom. There you will find a short YouTube video on "How to Get rid of the egoism." A brilliant explanation of the ego's function. The first of a series.
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Meanwhile, think about:
Do you have sensitive, a bland, or a tough ego? Is there such a thing as ego-bashing? Or ego abuse? Does having a sensitive ego prevent you from taking part in forums like this? Do not be afraid to be anonymous. Is there such a program as: EGOS ANONYMOUS? If not, would it be a good idea?

What are your questions?

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#28610 - 12/02/08 05:27 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Revlgking]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
If you do not have an ego, please say so. How would we know you are telling the truth?


You wouldn't unless you were free of egoic influence yourself.
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#28612 - 12/02/08 07:47 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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So, TT: Do you have an ego? I will take your written word as if it were spoken, unless you want to call me.

BTW, does your response mean that ego-less people are like infallible lie detectors?

In keeping with the teachings of Jesus, as found in the Gospels, my ego has always known that actions, such as what I write, are what count. As the old saying goes: "Sometimes our actions speak so loud, others cannot hear what we are saying, or writing."

BTW, I know I have an ego. However, with the help of GOD-consciousness--LOVE-consciousness, it seems to be a very helpful servant; or should I say, friend?


Edited by Revlgking (12/02/08 07:51 AM)
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#28617 - 12/02/08 09:15 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Revlgking]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
So, TT: Do you have an ego? I will take your written word as if it were spoken, unless you want to call me.

As I said, unless you were without the influence of ego you would not be able to tell whether anyone else was. So whatever I would say would be subjective to your ongoing opinion and attachment to your part (identity) in the unfolding universe.
Originally Posted By: Revlgking

BTW, does your response mean that ego-less people are like infallible lie detectors?

My response means consciousness recognizes consciousness. Ego recognizes ego. Without knowing consciousness ego stands alone with ego.
Originally Posted By: Revlgking

In keeping with the teachings of Jesus, as found in the Gospels, my ego has always known that actions, such as what I write, are what count. As the old saying goes: "Sometimes our actions speak so loud, others cannot hear what we are saying, or writing."

From the ego's point of view your actions are owned. From the ego-less point of immersion into spirit it is nature acting upon nature that creates the manifest. The ego sees it from a personal point of view, the ego-less from the point of view of God. Consciousness witnessing consciousness.
Generally speaking the waking state ego consciousness reveres the loud voice of the ego and ignores the subtle voice of spirit.

Or simply put the ego loves to hear itself speak..regardless of whether anyone listens, it finds importance in itself and all of its opinions.
Anything the ego puts forth may resonate at the surface level of definitions and meanings of words in a few who are like minded and closed within the same surface loop.
That which is spoken from spirit resonates within everything because everything is spirit. If the ego has grabbed the attention of awareness the resonance will be ignored, but the word of God is not random and isolated to the few. It is the very vibration of Truth that will continue resonating until the ego is set aside and the awareness is redirected toward the truth in the awakening of the soul. The voice of spirit is what maintains all of creation. It is a constant and it is amazing that it is so easily ignored, for the voice of opinion and of personal, and passing importance.
Originally Posted By: Revlgking

BTW, I know I have an ego. However, with the help of GOD-consciousness--LOVE-consciousness, it seems to be a very helpful servant; or should I say, friend?

It would seem that way from belief and opinion that what you have gained in the personal has value, even tho none of it will be taken with you when you leave your body. All value will disappear with the dissolution of the body and the ego's identification with it.
Without knowing the true value of who you are, clinging to values that will not survive your own death seem rather pointless.

To address your own words:
"Have you the answer as to why anyone, but a fool, would choose ignorance over education?"

I think knowledge of ones self is much more advantageous over education based on illusions of the ego.

"Ignorance-based, or unenlightened, beliefs are deadly! And they will continue to inflict suffering, pain and death until the victims get tired of it and wake up."

One would have to break the loop of education that comes from the un-enlightened mindset before death is no longer experienced as the normal part of living. One would have to Ascend the dense vibratory level of the ego and rise above its limited identification of self importance to join the ongoing Universal mind in action.

Beliefs are of the ego.
True Wisdom is of experience that is non-personal because it applies to everything that is both personal and non-personal.
What is Truth for one is Truth for all...
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#28618 - 12/02/08 04:39 PM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Posters. Who among you is, are, able to make sense of the huge pile of dense, dark, dull and opaque material above, claiming to be Truth and Wisdom? By this forum, or in a PM, I would love to hear from you.

BTW, the above is filled--unconsciously of course--with ego-based paralogisms--not a common term in English, but is used in French. Dans la Critique de la raison pure, Kant a identifié les paralogismes comme étant des illusions de la raison.(In the Critic of the pure reason, Kant identified the paralogismes as being illusions of the reason.)
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#28619 - 12/02/08 05:40 PM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Revlgking]
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Originally Posted By: Revlgking
Posters. Who among you is, are, able to make sense of the huge pile of dense, dark, dull and opaque material above, claiming to be Truth and Wisdom? By this forum, or in a PM, I would love to hear from you.

BTW, the above is filled--unconsciously of course--with ego-based paralogisms--not a common term in English, but is used in French. Dans la Critique de la raison pure, Kant a identifié les paralogismes comme étant des illusions de la raison.(In the Critic of the pure reason, Kant identified the paralogismes as being illusions of the reason.)


I'm afraid I have to disagree. There is not even the slightest illusion of reason contained therein. Only the claim of reason, or logic, or sense. Even your redundant expression; dense, dark, dull and opaque fails to fully describe the void it creates in the multiverse. It is a true vacuum. Not a molecule of gas, even an atom... not even a virtual particle, whatever the volume occupied, may enter in. Not even a thought.
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#28621 - 12/02/08 06:36 PM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Iztaci]
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Originally Posted By: Iztaci
There is not even the slightest illusion of reason contained therein. Only the claim of reason, or logic, or sense... It is a true vacuum. Not a molecule of gas, even an atom... not even a virtual particle, whatever the volume occupied, may enter in. Not even a thought.
WOW! And your comment, Iztaci, did not contain one argumentum ad hominen.

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#28622 - 12/02/08 08:01 PM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Revlgking]
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Glad to see the ignore button hasn't kept Iztaci (is tacky?) from being sucked into the vacuum. wink
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#28623 - 12/02/08 10:18 PM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Revlgking;

Yeah, the ad hominem attack never produces anything but chaos. "Stalin thought two plus two was four, but Stalin was a monster so two plus two must equal something else."

Then there are the logical fallacies like "vacuums suck" which, of course, they do not. A vacuum is not a thing but the absence of a thing. Air pressure. An absence can "do" nothing. Air pressure, a thing, can do something. It can "push". So, one cannot be "sucked into a vacuum because there is no such thing as suck. One can be pushed into a vacuum but, of course, when that happens it is no longer a vacuum.

When a "statement" consists of nothing but logical fallacies and ad hominem attacks, it is not really a statement but a void, into which one cannot be sucked but pushed... by the hot, high-pressure gases encountered in such a "conversation". The upside is; it can only happen to you if you let it. If you refuse to respond in kind, the hot gases will eventually dissipate. They have no choice. Without more heat, they must cool.

Regards,

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#28624 - 12/02/08 11:06 PM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Iztaci]
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Life is what you make it.
Or it is something completely different...

C'est la vie
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#28630 - 12/03/08 04:45 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Perhaps there is a difference between having an ego and being egotisical?

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#28632 - 12/03/08 06:08 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Ellis]
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Originally Posted By: Ellis
Perhaps there is a difference between having an ego and being egotisical?

The relative definitions of ego from the waking state are boxed in belief and opinion.
Being egotistic in some peoples minds is being self absorbed in ones personality, reverence for ones personal accomplishments, aquaintances, name dropping to give value to ones status. Self idolatry.

From the standpoint of conscious awareness and enlightenment the ego is what separates the absolute unmanifest potential from the manifest.
When speaking of ego regarding enlightenment, (generally speaking) the term is indicating that awareness is saturated in beliefs and opinions of the manifest as it is interpreted through personality. Stored memories and attachments to the personal experience limiting awareness of reality to belief and personal opinion.
I am God, you are God, we all are God etc.etc. The personal relates to God through the personal experience.
From intellectual discrimination in expanding consciousness, awareness becomes aware of awareness itself which is part and parcel to everything and everyone.
The personal is seen as extremely small when compared to the absolute. From that experience it is difficult to linger or continue to grasp onto ones own beliefs as awareness of greater mind emerges and awareness becomes cognizant of itself as universal mind. From universal mind anything can be known about the universe. There are no limits to experience and to desire.
Fulfillment is no longer idealized within the limits of opinion and filters of belief. Fulfillment is found within the extending limitless awareness of everything being perfect as it is.

The intellect immersed in ego narrows the unlimited potential into personal experiences, fear, destruction, chaos, feelings and duality of mind in the beliefs of good and evil.
The knower and the known become limited by the known so the knower is unaware of its potential to know itself. The known is seen as the knower tucked between two points that are birth and death, experiencing everything in between but nothing beyond, forgetting the knower before birth of the body and the knower after death of the body.
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#28634 - 12/03/08 07:03 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Ellis]
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Originally Posted By: Ellis
Perhaps there is a difference between having an ego and being egotistical?
I agree: there is! Overcoming egoism--worship of the self (psyche/soul/mind) is the challenge. I am working on it by inviting all egos, including my own, to become friendly and join me in the challenge.

BTW, I have a theory as why atheists reject the concept of gods, or a God. They conceive of God--the kind most religions worship--as being just a BIG ego, who demands that we worship him/her.

I gave up this concept when I outgrew believing in a literal Santa. BTW, I can still enjoy the myth, which is how I raised my own children; I taught them the myth and the story--a fascinating one--behind it. There was a St. Nicholas, who was born in what is now Turkey. He became a bishop at a very young age.
http://www.devotions.co.uk/st-nicholas.shtml

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#28638 - 12/04/08 12:35 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Revlgking]
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Rev wrote
'BTW, I have a theory as why atheists reject the concept of gods, or a God. They conceive of God--the kind most religions worship--as being just a BIG ego, who demands that we worship him/her. '

No they don't. Most atheists just, I don't think I can put this more simply, do not believe in the existence of the supernatural or the paranormal.

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#28641 - 12/04/08 01:06 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Ellis]
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As an agnostic, I share many of the views of atheists. One that I especially share is the view stated by Ellis that we tend not to believe in the supernatural. I don't even believe in the word supernatural. Or un-natural or transnatural. It is common for people to refer to compounds formulated in labs as un-natural. If recombining elements or compounds into new compounds is un-natural, nature is un-natural. A literal impossibility. Nature recombines constantly, for instance, the run-off from heavy rainfall mixes salt or other compounds from one area into another. Salt reacts with the compounds already there to create other compounds. What could be un-natural about that? In short, we live in a "natural" universe. We can only play around with the natural aspects of this natural universe. To assume we are even capable of creating, or even detecting something "un-natural" is simple arrogance based on our minuscule understanding of what is.


Edited by Iztaci (12/04/08 01:07 AM)
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#28643 - 12/04/08 03:35 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Iztaci]
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Quote:

To assume we are even capable of creating, or even detecting something "un-natural" is simple arrogance based on our minuscule understanding of what is.

If we apply that thought to what is natural, since we can't know the twisted implications of defining un-natural, it would be safe to assume that our minuscule understanding of what is is incorrect about everything.
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#28644 - 12/04/08 04:59 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Quote:

To assume we are even capable of creating, or even detecting something "un-natural" is simple arrogance based on our minuscule understanding of what is.

If we apply that thought to what is natural, since we can't know the twisted implications of defining un-natural, it would be safe to assume that our minuscule understanding of what is is incorrect about everything.


Okay. And?
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#28646 - 12/04/08 07:46 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Iztaci]
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And what?
You've already made all the assumptions, with the disclaimer that nothing can be grasped from the current level of intelligence.

What more should be said?
It's a free ticket to say what you will without claiming any responsibility to reality and without any moral implications.

Everything is as it should be regardless of what anyone believes.
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#28648 - 12/04/08 09:15 AM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Tutor Turtle]
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Originally Posted By: Tutor Turtle
And what?
You've already made all the assumptions, with the disclaimer that nothing can be grasped from the current level of intelligence.

What more should be said?
It's a free ticket to say what you will without claiming any responsibility to reality and without any moral implications.

Everything is as it should be regardless of what anyone believes.


So... ummm... you're just explaining to me what I said while at the same time, asking what more should be said?

For you, I'd answer "Nothing more should be said."

If that is not your question, I have no clue what you should say as you, as usual, threw in a straw-man fallacy and attacked the straw-man.

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#28650 - 12/04/08 04:07 PM Re: THE EGO: Its nature, function and...value? [Re: Iztaci]
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Iztaci, I don't think that straw men, or women, would ever be allowed even in so-called professional tag-team wrestling, eh? laugh
BTW, your presence, help and refreshing comments are much appreciated. Tag.

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