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I was wondering if anyone else caught the following...

three
two...laughter / or stalling for time
one
zero
................nothing...............there it is.

I hope the beam was sent just before he said there it is !!!

were talking about a 2 second delay here ... at 300,000 Km/ps

thats apx 600,000 Km between zero and there it is !!!

or 15 times around the earths circumference !!!

reminds me of the cessium stuff...

the LHC ring has a 27 Km circumference , this means that the beam traveled around the collider 22,222 times.

I thought I had read that it would only travel around 50 times...

but what if it did just travel around 50 times ? !!!!!

before it traveled through time !!!

and there it is

it may just be that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light because if it does then it is traveling into the future.

The mad CERN ’s project.

This week's startup of Europe's Large Hadron Collider didn't generate
a big bang or a black hole, but it did generate a big reaction from folks
who followed our series on the "Big Bang Machine."
More than 40,000 people voiced their opinion by clicking through
our unscientific survey or by discussing the issues in online forums.
Full Story:
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/12/1386080.aspx
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The mad CERN ’s way.

In 1906, Rutherford studied internal structure of atoms,
bombarding them with high energy a- particles.
This idea helped him understand the structure of atom.
But the clever Devil interfered and gave advice to physicists
to enlarge the target. Bomb them!
And physicist created huge cannon-accelerators of particles.
And they began to bomb micro particles in the vacuum, in hoping
to understand their inner structure. And they were surprised with
the results of this bombing. Several hundreds of completely new
strange particles appeared. They lived a very little time and do not
relate to our world. Our Earth needs its real constants of nature.
But this was forgotten.
What God carefully created, is destroyed in accelerators.
And they are proud of that. They say: we study the inner structure
of the particles. The clever and artful Devil is glad. He again has deceived man.
Physicist think, that an accelerator - is first of all the presence of huge energy.
And the Devil laughs. He knows, that an accelerator - is first of all the Vacuum.
But this, he has withheld from man.
He has not explained that the Vacuum is infinite and inexhaustible.
And in infinity there is contained an infinite variety of particles.
And by bombing the vacuum, one can find centaurs and sphinxes.
But my God, save us from their presence on Earth.
========= .. ========.
Rutherford was right.
His followers are mistaken.
Why?
Imagine, that I want to plant a small apple- tree.
For this purpose I shall dig out a hole of 1 meter width and 1,20 m depth.
It is normal.
But if to plant a small apple- tree, I shall begin to dig
a base for a huge building (skyscraper),
or if to begin drill ground with 10 km. depth,
will you call me a normal man?
========== .. ===============.
Imagine a man who breaks watches on the wall.
And then he tries to understand the mechanism of the watches
by thrown cogwheels, springs and small screws.
Does he have many chances to succeed?
As many as the scientists have who aspire to understand
the inner structure of electron by breaking them into accelerators.
If not take into account the initial conditions of Genesis,
the fantasies of the scientists may be unlimited.
========== . ======== .
The Nature works very economical.
For example, biologists know 100 ( hundred ) kinds of
amino acids. But only 20 ( twenty) kinds of amino acids
are suitable to produce molecules of protein, from which all
different cells created on our planet. What are about another
80 % of amino acids? They are dead end of evolution.
The physicists found many ( 1000 ) new elementary particles in
accelerators. But we need only one ( 1) electron and one (1 )
proton to create first atom, to begin to create the Nature.
All another elementary particles (mesons, muons , bosons, taus,
all their girlfriends - antiparticles, all quarks and antiquarks…etc)
are dead end of evolution.
============.
What was before - “ the big bang” or the vacuum ?
The physicists created “ Europe’s Large Hadron Colider “
Please, look at how our physicists made this accelerator.
They made the vacuum and after they generated a big reaction
between two colliding particles in some small imitation of the
“big bang”. They didn’t make this process in the reverse.
So, what was prior in the Universe: “ big bang” or vacuum?
===========================..
The Universe as whole is Vacuum, first of all.

Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

http://www.socratus.com
http://www.wbabin.net
http://www.wbabin.net/comments/sadovnik.htm
http://www.wbabin.net/physics/sadovnik.pdf
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call me too cautious..

but if this is time travel then even a second of time travel
will put the projectile off course.

the earth is rotating , the earth is rotating around the sun ,
the sun is rotating around the galaxy , the galaxy is moving away from the center of the universe...

can anyone predict where the projectile will hit in the future?

they know where it would hit in our present time , but what they dont know and havent accounted for is where it will hit in the future.

it might travel well outside of any containment field...

that is why I think we are not ready for this type of stuff yet.

and why I think it should be dissassymbled , look at a car traveling on a freeway , close your eyes for one second , when you reopen your eyes how far has the car moved?

now think about the distance that you traveled through the universe in that one second.

how far did you move through the universe?
which direction did you travel?

which direction and distace will the collision be found.

...

Article by Ivan Gorelik.
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What will LHC give us: the particle of God, or magnetic trap of Devil?

Magnetic trap is an axial-symmetric magnetic analogue of a black hole.
It is 10^36 stronger than gravitational black hole.
CERNs specialists do not know about the magnetic trap yet. If
microscopic magnetic trap will be made in CERN's LHC, the Earth will
be transformed into an infinitely thin emptiness, surrounded by
circular current of 6 meter radius. Compare: Schwarzschild radius of
such mass is 0,009 meters.


Minimal possible magnetic trap has mass, which is equivalent to 1 TeV,
or about 1055 masses of neutrons. It has magnetic field, which is
equal to 3*10^16 teslas. Magnetic trap is a magnetic dipole, which can
be imagined as an infinitely thin coil, creating the critical magnetic
field.
Neutrons are smallest neutral magnets and they can be captured by
magnetic trap, ejecting neutrino. Protons are also magnets and they
can also be captured by the trap, ejecting positrons. Neutrons and
protons are fermions, but after neutrino or positron ejection, they
become bosons, - the quanta of stationery magnetic field of neutron
hole.
Half of mass of captured particles goes to the energy of ejected
particles, and the second half goes to the magnetic trap’s magnetic
field. As a result of particle capture the radius of magnetic trap
becomes bigger. It looks as widespreading magnetic soliton.
If magnetic trap of Devil will be made on collider, if the process of
it’s growth will be slow (months, years), you will cry from pane, and
your aggression towards big-bangers, who had made the experiment, will
be much more, than mine aggression now. You will want to cut sir
Hawking and other crazy big-bangers on small pieces.


Now I am forced to convince the prosecutor’s department to open the
criminal case against Rubakov V.A. If you will make the same in your
countries against arrant big-bangers, we will survive. Otherwise we’ll
die, with probability about 50%.


Only crazy people can try to create particles with the rest mass more
then 1000 masses of nucleon. It is possible that in the region from
1000 to 7000 aum, there can be created hundreds types of particles and
resonances. It is clear, that the most of them will decay. But some of
them will grow, capturing the ordinary matter.


Different types of growing particles will work on different forces,
and on combinations of forces.
I hope that mBHs, connected by gravity force, are impossible and safe.
But magnetic traps are 10^36 stronger, and they are the most probable
candidates to explain the majority of cosmic catastrophes – novae,
supernovae... I had understood this only this September.
Academician Migdal wrote 30 years ago about pion condensation in
strong fields. As a result he had come to conclusion that neutron
stars can have any masses. My approximate computation shows that the
minimal possible neutron star has a mass, equal to 1055 masses of
nucleons, and such embryo of neutron star can by made in collider.


A month ago the article were published that new strange unexpected
particle was discovered at Tevatron. It decays at several muons, up to
eight units. Somebody had already named it the Halloween particle. I
named it the muon hole.


What will be made the next, the magnetic trap of Devil? It will not
decay, but it will transform us into it’s magnetic field.


Those persons, with high ranks and high scientific degrees, who cry
about the safety of LHC must be arrested now, because they are
committing the global terrorist crime now.


Stop Tevatron and close the LHC. Throw out big-bangers from
universities. Big Bang never was. The Universe is ever young.


Hubble constant (H, Hbar) is the mirror reflection of Plank constant
(h, hbar). These both constants are describing the 4d-rotation on
opposite scales relatively us. Precise value of Hubble constant you
can find on my web-site. http://darkenergy.narod.ru/ That is my Steady
State model of Universe. I worked with this model more than 30 years,
and I did not receive any cent for my work. And now big-bangers want
to kill me, my children, and all of you. Big-bangers want to touch the
particle of God, but thus, they lead all of us into the magnetic trap
of Devil.

/ Ivan Gorelik /.
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You know theres some things you just cant do anything about , and the LHC seems to be just one of those things.

unless somehow the earth just swallows up the LHC or fire rains down from heaven , we will probably have to suffer the consenquences of our stupid smart scientist and their stupider
financing supporters.

find out which companies are supporting things that you dont like and just stop buying their products.

I like the earth swallowing it up idea as long as its not because they created a black hole that swallows up the rest of us along with the stupid smart scientist.

Im going to stop buying anything made in either of the countries that the LHC rest upon.

I believe the two countries are Switzerland and France if anyone else is interested.

you know they dont even have the thing tweaked yet and theyre going to start it up again in 2009 !!!

Incident at CERN'S LHC in OCT 2008... hand me that duct tape will ya.

it looks kile I found a list of their member states



so I guess Im covered I already buy everything from china and taiwan like all the other americans here in america where we dont make much of anything...I didnt see china and taiwan in the list.

Oh I forgot ... China and Taiwan is probably where all the members get the money from to support this thing.

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I fear for the human race when such incoherent ravings are posted as "science".

Hello qraal. Nice name.

The point of the objections is not at all 'scientific' I agree, instead it is the old question again... should science experimentation take place if there is a chance (even a very small one) that someone may be disadvantaged by it? This was also an important point on another topic in another forum here where the topic was human/ape cross-breeding. How ethical does science have to be? Can science ever argue that the end justifies the means?

That said---I still haven't seen the black hole yet!

Fortunately, ignorant cynics and conspiracy theorists are not yet in the ascendant, despite the clamour they create.

Let not the human race be judged by the content of the forum but rather by the principle of free speech upheld therein.

Ascendant...

Hi Ellis & redewenur

Thanks. 'qraal' is a mock-cognate of my surname.

Both of you are beacons of "sensible" in an apparent sea of "nuts". Science ideally shouldn't put people out, but just when do we draw the line when we're leaping into the (relative) Unknown?

As for the rest of humanity, it's time they stood up and shouted the fruits'n'nuts down. Or, at least, stopped buying their books.

But one man's lunacy is another man's breakthrough. There's no telling where the next Big Idea might emerge from. So I guess, begrudgingly, I have to put up with the fruits'n'nuts...

As for the rest of humanity, it's time they stood up and shouted the fruits'n'nuts down. Or, at least, stopped buying their books.

Tried that. Didn't work. Just made me look like a nut. Or, maybe even made me a nut but I wouldn't take the word of a nut on that.

Not buying their books might help a little but not much. Ironic that a society with most advanced technology in history can't even treat this one infection.

Or feed the poor, cure disease or provide the same medical attention to the poor as the wealthy, employ the unemployed, teach compassion and love instead of competition and separation of class and status.

It's no wonder people grasp at straws when humanity as a whole is incapable to lend a hand...
It would seem to some, who don't get the benefits of food and health from technology, that technological prowess is not the culmination of intelligence or the end or near end in the evolution of intelligence for humanity as a species.
Obviously the heart believes there is a better way to live life and even if it doesn't see a way, it can imagine a better humanity.

Ascendant....

It seems once you're infected, you drag it with you wherever you go. I don't want to do that, so I'll just unhook now. I hope your immune systems are better than mine.

ciao.

Wherever you go there you are..

I have been looking the forum over, hoping to find a discusion of science. Alas, it was not to be. The LHC is not going to swallow the earth. God told me so just this morning. Goodby.

you better double check your voices that you hear ...

it might just be that the devil would be the one that would be telling you that.

and remember just because you think something doesnt mean that you are the one thinking it.