Then we agree. Coincidentally, I've just seen a snippet of a conversation with Michio Kaku in which he said the same thing - far more eloquently than I did grin

My sole point is, of course, that, notwithstanding the impossibility of scientific proof, those scientists who hypothesize 'a universe from nothing' should state definitively what they mean by nothing, even if only because it often seems to crop up in religion v science debates (i.e. rows).

"Time is what prevents everything from happening at once" - John Wheeler