Re: thermodynamic laws


Posted by Pasti on Sep 23, 2003 at 10:43
(64.228.115.26)

Re: thermodynamic laws (paul)

Paul, go back to your cave and hit the books before opening your mouth.
Every time you do so, you only show that the amount of your ignorance is continuously increasing. And this trend should worry you.

"since the laws of thermodynamics are wrongly used to try to explain that energy cannot be manipulated to result in more energy,perhaps the usage of these laws should be restricted to applications that utilize "heat" to cause motion"

The laws are not wrong,it is you that apply them wrongly, in which case you are getting idiotic results.
These laws are based on experimental evidence, they haven't been dreamt by someone, and unless you come up with an EXPERIMENT that contradicts them,they still hold valid.

And BTW, your contraption is not that EXPERIMENT, especially since you "built" it only on paper.This comment is just to save time and effort in case you want to decide to "explain" (again) how you built the machine of the future that generates energy out of nothing,and very "cheap" also, since you need sub technology.

And just so that you have something to rummage in your mind:the laws/formulae you wrongly used in "calculating" your machine can be derived from the first thermodynamics principles, and they obey the thermodynamic laws, and this in itself should tell you that you did something that is non-kosher when you did your calculations.

"and the laws that govern fluids and fluids in motion and gravity and fluids under pressure should be applied when dealing with applications that deal only with fluids and gravity and pressure and not with "heat"."

Again, this only shows your ignorance. Hydrodynamics can be nicely derived from thermodynamics (but you seem to have somehow missed this "trivial" aspect from your pseudo-philosophical considerations),and adding gravitation to it is just a bit of spice. Think about the concept of pressure, and you will convince yourself. Or temperature.

"as the name (thermodynamics) specifies " thermo " or heat."

Right!Now syntax is the relevant detail in science! Good one.

"if there is no fuel being burnt in a application to cause motion from the resultant expanding gasses then why are these " heat " laws used to explain these non-heat powered applications."

Because heat is a form of energy, because expansion requires consumption of energy one way or another,and because these "heat" laws as you call them are exactly the laws that describe such processes.
The "burnt fuel" argument is simply dumb.The source of energy doesn't matter, just the processes.

So go back and read more. And try to also understand what you read.



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