Re: Dum spiro spero, anyman?

Posted by anyman on Nov 15, 2002 at 01:01
(61.183.178.118)

Re: Dum spiro spero, anyman? (Mike Kremer)

i don't know that my viewpoints have slipped any...or maybe i'm not sure what you mean by viewpoints

give me an example

my conduct is, however, sometimes less than becoming...apologies for that

i am no less human than anyone else here...and i make no "holier than thou" claims

still, your point is well taken and i will speak no more about it

now...about those musings of yours

I think it states in the bible that whosoever
was able to write down and correctly pronounce the Tetragrammaton (or sacred name of God) The world would come to an abrupt end.

the book never says any such thing...it has been written many times, however, scribes of old would generally ink a fresh (new) pen and use it only once for writing his name (this is but one of many names but it is the personal name that he gave to moses at the burning bush incident)

they did so out of reverence but it was nothing more than a tradition...there is no divinely proscribed prohibition against writing or speaking his name (except, of course, that we are not to use it in vain...like the common expression, "oh my god!" for just one of many examples)

neither i nor any man knows when the world will end...i only know that it will...i can venture an educated guess that it will not be thousands of more years in the future, but how near that end might be or is, i would not venture to guess

the debate goes on concerning the proper pronunciation of his name...the hebrews did not speak it for a very long time and still don't...it must have been known at some time, even if only by moses because he heard it spoken by god himself and was told to use it when speaking to others that might ask who it was that had sent him (btw - another evidence that it was not forbidden to speak his name :-)

some say [yahwei] others [yahvei] others [yehovah] and still others [jehovah]

ie some pronounce the yodh as a "y" and others as a "j", some pronounce the wahw or vahv as a modern english "w" others after a sgt shultz or german type "v"

then there is the issue of which syllable is to be emphasized or accented...any of the three, though far more often either of the latter two have been variously proposed

add to this that the hebrew language had already become largely "dead" by the time of christ...being reserved primarily for use by priests and scholars...much like latin became in the roman empire years and beyond

aramaic had become the primary local language and the lingua franca was greek (which is partly why the new testament was written primarily in greek with but rare exceptional phrases)

i don't think the matter will ever be settled this side of eternity...nor do i think it overly important at this point

the good news is...we all gonna know the answer someday :-)

probably right around the same time that every knee bends and evey mouth confesses the name of jesus as lord on the day of judgement, which will be the day that the world ends, whenever that might be :-)

Which is why his name is always written using the four letters YAHW (Yahweh), a greatly shortened form.

actually, the four letters (transliterated) are "yhwh"...and it is neiter greatly shortened nor shortened at all (although you did misspell it...more below)

the shortened form, which is generally used in writing, is "yh" (or yodh/heh since i cannot here reporduce hebrew script)

also remember that hebrew was originally written without vowels...it was probably not until the masoretic scribes (~6th-9th centuries ad, perhaps as early as ad500) that a system of diacritical points and marks was introduced to indicate vowel sounds among the hebrew consonantal script

vowel phones/phonemes (sounds) were, of course, always used in the spoken form of the language

hebrew, like all languages has gone through changes in both written and spoken form over the past ~4000 years...trying to use the resurrected form of the language today as a benchmark for the more ancient written and spoken forms is likely to be a mistake more often than not

My thought are:- Could there be a Biblical connection between YAHW and the genetic ATGC?
Another words, once we complete the genetic formulae for producing Man.....Pooooof the world ends!!!

many things are possible, you great speculator, you

and while i wouldn't rule a connection out entirely...i would ask for starters, what about "u" in your agtc (which is usually written a,c,g,t/u...thymine is replaced by uracil in rna) speculation


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