surface temperature --could be a rant

Posted by Amaranth Rose on May 07, 2002 at 02:59

Re: the shoddy surface temperature network (George)

"Danny tracked down my ISP address indicating he is trying to get some information on me. It is not a polite to take such tactics. "

Well, gee. Ahem. (Cough, cough) The software to trace ISP addresses is free on the net. And there are some here who might take what you said as a challenge. I know a good number of people here have repeatedly traced my IP number, generally with intent to harrass, I suppose, but, it's not considered any big thing. I take it you're not from the US? No one here seems to think anything of it.

I don't suppose it's too polite to accuse someone of doing something when they're not doing it. Doesn't seem to bother very many people around here, though. Yes, they know who they are.

"Danny has a history of ad hominem attacks and his investigatory approach is part of that."

Hmm. I've known Dan for a couple of years now, through this board. I've never been the recipient of an ad hominem attack from him, and I very seldom have seen him attack anyone else. There was this person Trident, and the love puppies, but, other than that, very seldom.

As for an investigatory approach, well, I'm not surprised. Given the nature of his life experience, I wouldn't be surprised if he has some information on the driver and every passenger before he boards a city bus.

"Because global warming supporters engage in such tactics, "

Many people wear underarm deodorant. It would not surprise me if the terrorists who flew the airplanes into the buildings last September wore underarm deodorant. Perhaps, just to be safe, we should round up all men who wear underarm deodorant and shoot them. That ought to very quickly take care of all the terrorism problem.

This sounds to me like a nail problem. If the only tool you have is a hammer, everything sooner or later starts to look like a nail. You probably think I'm rude, and making ad hominem attacks on you. I'm sorry you feel that way.

"rather than discussing how the data and theory do not match (a fundamental part of science), "

I have to differ. Science, true Science, as I was taught when I was a Scientist Trainee on an NIH Program, is not about discussing or arguing. It is about observing, measuring, recording, formulating hyptheses, devising objective experiments to test those hypotheses, observing the results of those experiments, and comparing them to our expectations. If there is a discrepancy, then we hypothesize about why that may be so, and devise another experiment to test tht hypothesis.

There is no meaningful way that global temperature variation on Earth can be studied in a meaningful scientific manner short of building an entire planet, complete with atmosphere, and populating it with plants, animals, and Man, and proceeding to manipulate the atmosphere by the controlled addition of various components of the atmosphere and studying the results.

Arguing achieve only the strengthening of the jaw and the sharpening of the tongue. All the yadda-yadda-yadda around here that people think is such wonderful science is of absolutely no value whatsoever in real Science. It mainly gives people excuses to take potshots at one another, and fire off ad-hominem volleys like mortar barrages and bash one another frequently. Some people seem to find it great fun, but sorry to say, it is not Science.

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