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Originally Posted By: Bill S.
Perhaps a better question would be: How much of the information in this thread is worth conserving?

Then again, one could ask: Is this sort of "contest" science, mathematics or urology?

It has sort of got to that hasn't it and leave the layman alone in what they believe.

So I guess for Paul he has got issues with Newton. Reading the old work Newton sets 0^0=1 and there are interesting exchanges with Leibniz, Berkeley and Mach over doing it which they call the "nearness" problem (things getting close to zero). He had to do it because of the square root but the other mathematicians of the time are not sure about him doing it. It's actually quite funny watching them work thru the argument.

Perhaps we just let him have his 0^0=0 and say Newton was wrong it really doesn't matter to us.

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Yes but you understand things now smile

His answer is sort of right if you are talking to layman, it just won't hold up if you use modern science which isn't a surprise. You created the problem by introducing GR which hardly a layman topic you are a very bad boy. Think about it if you were talking to Paul he would say that is all fantasy and you are back to the answer he gave.

Ask a builder to measure the 3m pole. When he tells you 3m, tell him no you can't determine the length because of uncertainty principle and see what he says to you ... hey you are right but his reaction will be funny laugh

You are never going to convince him in that argument because he has a tape measure and he can see it. In the end you will do what we all do let the dumb smuck go off believing whatever he wants. The more you understand the more times you just have to walk off shaking your head .. trust me smile

Why do you think I rarely insist on answers I just ask questions laugh

Our answer 0^0=1 definitely isn't right either, its just nice, if we go at it with more modern mathematics ... there is a lovely new branch of mathematics called discrete calculus. Yeah we can deal with the massive problem setting 0^0=0 creates and give Paul his way but it isn't pretty and bags not teaching it to school children.

I said at the onset the technical answer is it is undefined but for layman mathematics which includes calculus it to HAS TO BE SET TO ONE and the site correctly stated that and he did say why .. because a mathematician said so, I liked his humour.

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Yeah we can deal with the massive problem setting 0^0=0 creates and give Paul his way.


I prefer that you guys that think that way keep using
your fake math myself.

so don't trouble yourself with giving me my way besides
you cant use fake math to create anything just because
you do it your way.

so you should go back to the problem you worked out
and replace the 3*0=0 with 3*0=3 because that is
how you think things should be.

and I really don't want to change how you think nor do I care how you think things should be because the physical world doesn't care either.

so you and yours will always be wrong to me if math is involved

that will never change as long as the math never changes.

and btw have you guys invented another set of math
operators lately that replaces actual addition , subtraction , division and multiplication because it sounds like you may have , I would expect that from you guys before long if you haven't yet.

because that would be the only way that your math will ever be
correct.

also:

the rock did not travel vertically 122.5 meters
in 5 seconds.

the rock did not travel horizontally 15 meters from where
you threw it either.

so you were wrong both times above , the entire set of
calculations you posted are invalid as important elements were
left out.

but you using your math you can leave important things out because in your realm exactness is not necessary a close proximity is all that is required of you or your math or your
fantasy realm.

but Im not going to tell you the answer Im going to let
the dumber than dirt smuck go off believing whatever he wants


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Originally Posted By: paul
so you should go back to the problem you worked out
and replace the 3*0=0 with 3*0=3 because that is
how you think things should be.

Paul I really don't mind what you think so please at least have the courtesy to not misquote or misrepresent me.

I understand you, beg to differ how this all works but at the end of the day mathematicians want to pull rank on both us. It is their field and I am not positioned to argue.

Originally Posted By: paul
but Im not going to tell you the answer Im going to let the dumber than dirt smuck go off believing whatever he wants

Touche so lets leave it at that it isn't worth getting upset over. We will never agree but I do get that you think all mathematics and science is fake.

That said, do you really need to post a full diatribe of that in every response to me ... I understood it the first thousand times you posted it. It's just becoming like spam now. Feel free to express a different view but just leave out the maths and science is evil/bad sob sob stuff. I have put it on my tagline to save you the effort.

I don't need the motive for your argument just what your view and argument is, like everything it comes down to how you want to look at things. So argue certainly but we don't need to know what you think of science/maths repeatedly.

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Originally Posted By: paul
so you should go back to the problem you worked out
and replace the 3*0=0 with 3*0=3 because that is
how you think things should be.



Originally Posted By: orac
So lets do 1 second intervals of t.

t=0sec ... 2D coord = (3*0, 1/2*9.8*0^2) = (0, 0)
t=1sec ... 2D coord = (3*1, 1/2*9.8*1^2) = (3, 4.9)
t=2sec ... 2D coord = (3*2, 1/2*9.8*2^2) = (6, 19.6)
t=3sec ... 2D coord = (3*3, 1/2*9.8*3^2) = (9, 44.1)
t=4sec ... 2D coord = (3*4, 1/2*9.8*4^2) = (12, 78.4)
t=5sec ... 2D coord = (3*5, 1/2*9.8*5^2) = (15, 122.5)


I have no idea what you would do with the next calculation
t=1 because you wrote that 3*1=3 !!! logic tells me that
you would use 3*1=6 etc etc etc but logic doesn't seem to
be in play or a part of your math belief.

Originally Posted By: orac
Paul I really don't mind what you think so please at least have the courtesy to not misquote or misrepresent me.


non layman explanation of your actions ...

what your doing is your complaining about the red paint
on your barn while standing on the ladder dipping your
paint brush into a can of red paint and painting your
barn red.

layman explanation of your actions ...

your lying.

when do you lie , it depends on when and where you need to lie.

you say that 3*0=3 then a couple of post further down
when you actually need to calculate 3*0 you say 3*0=0
because you know that 3*0=0 and that's the bottom line.

you promote and advertise false math to suit your
selfish needs and you don't care what troubles that
false math will cause to others that read this forum
possibly even others that come in close proximity to
some device that was designed using the false math.

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Touche so lets leave it at that it isn't worth getting upset over. We will never agree but I do get that you think all mathematics and science is fake.


wrong again , I don't think that actual math is
fake only the fake designer math that is used.

and actual science itself is not fake either , but when
fakery is brought into science then that fake part of
science is fake.

that is why I have given science two labels

actual or real science
and
fake or BS science

its not that I think it is fake either it is that I know the designer math is fake , its 100% positive fakery.

if you truly believed that 3*0=3 then why didn't you apply your
heart felt belief into your math.

your action of not applying that belief and using actual
math when you wrote 3*0=0 proves that your belief is complete BS and that you don't even believe it.

there are no instances where 3*0=3





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What idiot introduced the idea of power of zero?
Oh wait, I did. Ah well, we all make mistakes. :P
Could be time for a change of topic.
What else can I stir up?


There never was nothing.
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What idiot introduced the idea of power of zero?
Oh wait, I did. Ah well, we all make mistakes


No No Not an idiot by any means Bill S.

besides you have more opposing biased input on the idea of
power of zero and hopefully you can dismiss its validity.

I kind of picture you sitting there in your drawing room
beside a toasty oversized stone fireplace with you beagle hounds by your side drinking chamomile tea and pondering
well what can I stir up now that this has gotten on with.

conserved yes , cautious yes , idiot no way.


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lies don't suck up to him .. he is just a naughty boy .. you ask him smile

Noone expects the Spanish Inquistion.

Bill S, Come back and get what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!

Can we discuss my Brontosaurus theory as people are trying to take the credit for it. Brontosauruses are thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle and then thin again at the far end. That is my theory, it is mine and belongs to me, and I own it.

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