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#53481 11/30/14 11:46 PM
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Please review this as a new theory of the internal processes in a black hole:

Background: Normally as matter is drawn to an object due to gravitational forces, the temperature of the object will rise as the kinetic energy of arriving new matter is converted to random thermal energy as the new matter collides with the object. This and other processes including nuclear fusion may raise the object’s temperature until the object is radiating sufficient energy to reach an overall thermal equilibrium. This thermal energy causes particle motion within the object. Since any particle motion acts to increase spacing between particles, this particle motion tends to limit the density and impose a minimum size of the object depending on its mass.

New ideas: Sufficiently dense objects do not follow the above pattern. If an object is sufficiently dense it reaches a point of critical mass and density. At this point, the object’s internal gravitational pull increases to the point where a new process begins to occur. The core of the object experiences contraction forces due to gravitational pull, at a level where the normal thermal forces that cause particle motion (and the resulting limitation on density) are overwhelmed. The particles within the object’s core become so compressed that thermal motion is no longer possible. Due to the overwhelming contracting force, particle movement stops or slows dramatically and this portion of the core approaches the temperature of absolute zero.

Where does the energy go? Could the prior thermal energy of the core be radiated away or otherwise dissipated? This paper postulates that this lost thermal energy in the object’s core is (at least partially) absorbed by an endothermic (reverse) nuclear reaction. Once started, this endothermic nuclear reaction becomes a run-away chain reaction and a black hole is created / sustained.

The endothermic nuclear reaction is the reverse of commonly known exothermic nuclear reactions. This reaction follows the Special Relativity (Mass–Energy equivalence) formula but in the reverse direction of commonly accepted use. In contrast to exothermic nuclear reactions, the endothermic nuclear reaction absorbs energy and creates matter.

At its core the black hole contains an endothermic nuclear chain reaction:

1. As the reaction creates mass within the object, the object’s gravitational pull and its contraction forces are increased. This works to expand the area within the object’s core that has sufficient contraction force to prohibit thermal motion, causing more thermal energy to be absorbed and the reaction to continue.

2. As the reaction absorbs thermal energy, the temperature of wider areas within the object begins to approach absolute zero. This decrease in temperature causes further contraction in the object. Further contraction causes its overall density to increase. As its density increases, its local gravitational pull and contraction forces are further increased thus helping to sustain the reaction.

The endothermic nuclear reaction continues as long as portions of the object remain above absolute zero and the contraction forces are sustained or increased. As long as the gravitational pull of the object causes new matter to be ingested and/or the object absorbs external thermal radiation, additional mass and kinetic energy are added to the object and the endothermic nuclear reaction continues to absorb this energy, create new mass, increase the contractive force and continue the chain reaction.


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Thanks for the theory, I need to collect more information about the theory and will figure this out sooner.

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Originally Posted By: Charles
The core of the object experiences contraction forces due to gravitational pull, at a level where the normal thermal forces that cause particle motion (and the resulting limitation on density) are overwhelmed. The particles within the object’s core become so compressed that thermal motion is no longer possible. Due to the overwhelming contracting force, particle movement stops or slows dramatically and this portion of the core approaches the temperature of absolute zero.

Where does the energy go?

I doubt that the temperature of the core 'approaches absolute zero'. Most stars which have enough mass to collapse past the white dwarf stage become neutron stars. In this case the energy is still there and is contained in the thermal motion of the neutrons. For those which go on to the black hole stage it isn't clear exactly what happens because we don't have a good theory as to what happens at the supposed singularity at the center. However, I don't much think that they are compressed enough so that they can't move. According to General Relativity (GR) they are compressed into an infinitesimally small lump. However Quantum Mechanics (QM) doesn't allow this, so it isn't clear what happens. If they were compressed into a small enough lump that thermal motion wasn't possible then QM forces would come into play trying to force them back apart. As to where the energy goes, it is converted to gravitational energy. This gravitational energy is what powers the plumes that are emitted by active galaxy centers. And this answer is based on a top of the head memory of what happens and is quite possible wrong, other than the fact that the idea that the center of a black hole would probably not be at absolute zero.

And I doubt if this is a good venue to provide exposure for a new and revolutionary theory of black holes. Most people who post such theories on SAGG are considered crackpots by the scientific community and are ignored.

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Good to know someone else is thinking about this. All I know for certain is that "all physics breaks down at a singularity" is a sure sign a theory is wrong.

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If we go with the idea that a black hole is a singularity like the rest of the scientific world thinks it is (with singularity meaning: i dont know) this theory will not be taken seriously. Because there are no atomic particals or atomic cores that would abide by thermal dynamics.

But then again, I never believed in the singularity theory.

In my opinion a black whole is just the last phase of a neutron star. Its black not because the gravity is preventing light from escaping, its black because there are no electrons (in or bit) to get excited and emit photons. There are only neutrons.

If a neutron star is size "A" the gravity is not sufficiant to crush the outer layer of normal matter to neutron material. and therefore still emits light.
When a neutron star is "A+" size, its gravity is strong enough to crush any matter on the surface to neutron matter. Which doesnt emit light.


A Counter argument could be:
- if a black hole is realy just neutron matter and it increases in size the center will experience so much pressure even the neutrons will collaps. (to a singularity?)

- Yes with the current understanding/use of Einstein's Theory of General Relativity.

But if we consider the whole of neutronstar as one single particle, there is no center of neutrons which experiances more gravity then the outer layer of neutrons. The whole of the neutron star will experience the same amount of gravity (uniform gravity)


The next Counter argument could be:
- If a size A neutron star cant crush its outer layer then a supernova type 1a wouldnt be possible

If we consider a neutron star as a single particle with a uniform gravity. Al the normal matter on the surface can still accumulate, and the will eventually crush the bottom of the layer into neutron material.
This cycle will continue until the moment the neutron star has enough gravity to crush al normal matter on the surface to neutron matter.
This moment will be the supernova type 1a. And will be exactly the same each and every time.


I have more ideas but i think this is enough for starting some discussions.
And please, be as critical as possible. The advocate of the devil would be best.

@ charles: Could your theory fit in my theory?
My best guess would be al the thermal energy is converted in to neutrons


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