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BOHR MODEL electron around center speed

http://jovanovic-marija.net/sajt/physics/frequency.php
light colour and orbite
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/bohr.html


electron linear speed around center
v = 2.18x10^6 m/s



Marosz (me )
8 km/s = 8 000 m/s

it is very important problem on Earth

how heavy is electron on Earth


how heavy is electron in Universe



I'm inventor and Enginner !!!
I add paragraph to Gallileo Fall Law

EN > Gallileo Natural Fall Law + NEW FACTS - YouTube

PL> Prawo spadku Galileusza ( dodatkowe informacje ) - YouTube

MAROSZ 's PATENTS

FEW IDIOTS ON CAMBRIDGE OR PRINSTON ....
MUST ACCEPT THAT ELECTRON IS MORE LIGHT NEAR GROUND
( lower Radius =====> biger Fr = m*V*V/R )
RESON WHY ATOMIC CLOCK SLOWING DOWN
MORE FAR FROM EARTH it is not that exist many CLOCKS
in space ( more fare from Earth = more heavy electron )


THERY IS NO MANY TIMES
EXIST ONLY ONE ABSOLUTE SPACE AND TIME !!!






THIS IS THE END YOU ARE NOT MY FRIEND ?

more ... (I proved that C speed it is not limit please see 45 degree EMdrive open chamber )
http://maroszphysics.blogspot.com/

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SPIN and GRAVITATION very strong cooperate !!!

Mistery- huge magnetoresistance can be explain !!!
only if we will use global coordination system


HOW HEAVY IS ELECTRON ?

HISTORY - below paragraph You can find in each book.
" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).
This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .
The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity."

(Me- Marosz) WE CAN EASY SOLVE ABOVE PROBLEM !!!

Please study below picture person inside rocket can change omega if V1 = V and beam is perpendicular to V direction ONLY ONE MASS m will give tension (Mpa ) to beam. ( only one ARM will registrer )



Athom = Beam ( m---R--X---R--m )


beam m----X----m is able detect main radius ( Earth's rotation in space )

x1-------------R1-----------------------m--R--x2--R--m

We need compare (Mpa) in left and right arm !!!
X2 it is "local center" point but X1 is "global center" point .Each body that is making rotation on Earth feel big radius R1 not small R

(X1 it is not SUN - next picture is showing that Sun it is only one star exist many stars around Earth )Special and difference tensions (Mpa)in two arms
will inform US how far from center we ARE !!!




ABOVE PICTURE = EVIDENCE NOT EXIST IN SPACE LINEAR MOTION !

( not exist only one mass m in universe = exist some radius )

Q =mg is AVERAGE and VARIABLE
30km/s respect to table on EARTH
and we can not USE NEWTON's SYMETRY


(please evaluate how big friction is registering mass m 30 km/s and - 30 km/s )
( how big force is registering finger when You want to push mass m on the table in your room )


We need Add one more problem ....
dynamical rotation center is Variable not constant !
objects in universe are changing positions...
( airplane can escape from point where started sound - Each mass M can escape from point where started own Gravitation signal)


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Sorry mate can't make head nor tail of that . It starts on one thing, jumps to something completely unrelated, and reads like a dog's breakfast.

About all I am able to say with certainty is you are a complete nutcase with not a clue.

It will have to remain a complete mystery to me, not that I will be losing sleep over not understanding it smile

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electron linear speed around center from book (physics)
v = 2.18x10^6 m/s



OK ?!



You have mass m on table
mass m is moving V= 30 km/s

Respect to what tensometers ( Mpa ) inside table's legs
will show how heavy is mass m ? ( notice that Exist Fr=m*V*V/R)

Respect to what electron is making rotation ?

Athom ?
we can compare atom to beam ( m--R--X2--R--m )
electron = mass m
R - radius around X2 ( center )



beam m----X----m is able detect main radius ( Earth's rotation in space )

x1-------------R1-----------------------m--R--x2--R--m

We need compare tensions (Mpa) in left / right arm
(m----R---X2) !!!


tension = force that work on electron during motion around center

X2 it is "local center" point but X1 is "global center" point .Each body that is making rotation on Earth feel big radius R1 not small R

(X1 it is not SUN !!! - exist many stars around Earth )Special and difference tensions (Mpa)in two arms are roped with ALL OBJECTS IN UNIVERSE

2,18 *10^6 m/s and Fr = m*V*V/ R ??

ORAC CAN WE SPEAK ABOUT ATHOM's MODEL
WITHOUT X1 ???



WHAT WE HAVE IN BOOKS RIGHT NOW ?


FICTION !!! BECAUSE ACCELETATION IT IS NOT GRAVITATION !!!







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YOU SEE TWO ELECTRONS IN LAB


electron ---V-- >



<---V---- electron



MAROSZ How heavy is electron ? ( Fr= m*V*V/ radius )
( how long radius ? and respect to what ? )



electron's speed V =2,18 * 10 ^6 m/s !!!???
( This I saw in book )


WHAT WILL SEE PERSON ON EARTH and INSIDE ROCKET ?





SYMETRY IN PHYSICS EXIST
THERE WHERE GRAVITATION = ACCELERATION !!!

there where we have gravitation ( real universe )
radial forces are able
redirect Energy without III Newton Law
( mass m is on the table
Fast motion 8 km/s and mass m is able
start fly can you show my opposite reaction inside table's leg )













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Start with the first sentence it's wrong

The Bohr model of the atom is wrong everyone knows it's wrong except you obviously.

Perhaps we should start that the earth is flat and the middle of the universe and the sun circles us and we are held up by a big man. we once believed that too.

This start point makes as much sense as Marosz's start ... and it's about as stupid as yours.


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Now if you want to try the real answer to the speed of an electron in an atom orbital the correct answer is given here

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/20187/how-fast-do-electrons-travel-in-an-atomic-orbital

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ORAC LINK

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/20187/how-fast-do-electrons-travel-in-an-atomic-orbital

How fast do electrons travel in an atomic orbital?

ORAC HOW BIG ELLIPSE IS MAKING ATHOM IN UNIVERSE !?






HOW HEAVY HAMER I MUST USE TO LEARN ORAC ?



How heavy is Hammer ? Fr = m *V*V / radius

HOW BIG RADIUS ? WE HAVE


x1---------RADIUS------------------m-R-x2-R-m

athom = simple beam m-R-X2-R-m

X2 - it is atom centrum "local centrum "
X1 -..... exist many objects in universe I showed above it is global center

Nothing Is relative !!!

electron ----> V
inside rocket that accelerate and oo Earth ???






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So basically if you start with a flat earth and atlas holding it up then your theory is right that is what you are saying.

No amount of kiddie drawings will stop the BOHR model being wrong.

It's not like it isn't clearly discussed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_model
Quote:
The Bohr model is a relatively primitive model of the hydrogen atom, compared to the valence shell atom. As a theory, it can be derived as a first-order approximation of the hydrogen atom using the broader and much more accurate quantum mechanics and thus may be considered to be an obsolete scientific theory.


So here is how Marosz theory starts since you need kiddie pictures lets give you one and it gets worse and worse



Perhaps you might understand why everyone calls you an idiot in the same way we call anyone who believes in a flat earth as a theory.

I don't discuss stupid and you mate are that stupid.

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HISTORY - below paragraph You can find in each book.
" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).
This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .
The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity."

Marosz Me Person inside rocket is able change Omega
beam m---R---X-----R----m



Very important is situation when V1 = V and beam is perpedicular to V direction


m( absolute zero = V-V1 )
i
i
i
x-------> V
i
i
i
m-----------------> 2V


Above I showed special situation ( only one arm will register special tension (Mpa ) when beam is parallel to V
two arms feel the same tensions



ORAC if Classical mechanic for You = Marosz's theory soo ... you not understand nothing in physics !!!
ABOVE I PROVED THAT WE CAN MEASURE CONSTANT LINEAR MOTION


below situation will help You understand above
mass m is on the table person on Earth will see
that mass m is moving respect to table 30 km/s or -30 km/s

problem is that dynamica ( table's leg feel Qn =Q +Fr ) will inform person respect to what in universe mass m is moving
I'm 100 % sure that it is not only one object



In universe all mass cooperate and are roped ( Mach )
Stupid is use words mass m respect to Earth
Stupid is also mass m respect to SUN
Mass m is moving inside universe Qn =Q1 +Fr1 +....+(Qn=Frn )


ATOM

x1--------------R1------------m--R-X2-R--m

atom's model it is beam m-R-X2-R-m but x1 = global rotation
X2 = atom's center , m = electron





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MACH's FAR FAR STAR = MAROSZ's CLOSE CLOSE BULB



we have bulb's power (electric parameters ), diameter,

we are sure distance L1,L2
we are sure that BULB =STAR that is moving with Earth ( the same speed )



LIGHT IT IS NOT FLAT LINE !!!IT IS DYNAMICA



Joul/meter^3 = Newton*meter / meter^3 =
= Newton / meter^2 (PASCALL )




Discovery : brightness of pictures West and East are not the same Reason ? Eart's Velocity 30 km/s = 30 000 000 mm/s
(NIKON 5000d remote start, zero outsite light ,stative, manual set , time 10s , F 8 , Iso 200 - /10 cm to bulb / filtre is important = virtual distance simulation)




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Gallileo Fall LAW

m,M -------Planet

m,M---------STAR

Exist very small force that is pushing Each mass M in universe



EVIDENCE THAT MASS M
CAN GO FASTER THAN LIGHT !!!

EM drive
( Nasa showed raport 4 weeks ago -I made test 2 y ago )

NASA's raport http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20140006052


http://youtu.be/cSsTWRt0VBA

You saw Ytube ?
ask Your self when EMpreasure
will stop push rocket ( 45 degrees !!!) ?




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HOW HEAVY IS PERSON INSIDE ROCKET

ROCKET ACCELERATE ACCELERATE ACCELERATE .....

what will be if rocket will go faster than gravitation

M- rocket mass
m- person mass
mass M started gravitation 3D signal in point p1
not exist Gravitation speed + Rocket speed ,( EM wave speed is absolute respect to point where wave started )




CONSTANT LINEAR MOTION


CONSTANT ACCELERATION


WHY WE HAVE WINTER SUMMER ?

Earth-------SUN-----------Earth >>> 20 km/s
...............p1

ONE SEC. LATER....

...20km...Earth-------SUN-----------Earth >>> 20 km/s
...............p1...20km...

THE SUN STARTED 3D SIGNAL ( LIGHT and GRAVITATION in point P1) one sec. later Earth and SUN have got new position respect to point p1 ( 20 km more far FOR EXAMPLE )



More far from point p1
where signal started = lower intensity of signal
( "lower brightness" )

1R = X , 2R = X/4 , 3R = X/9

X- brightness, R- radius
the same energy portion but different area

LIGHT = LEFT SIDE ( below picture)




GALLILEO NATURAL FALL LAW
MAROSZ MORE WIDE VERSION


m--L---PLANET---L---m ----> V (motion)
........p1

mass m left and mass m right will not fall down at one time
reason is motion and Inverse Square LAW

mass m left /right are registering EMpreasure respect to point p1 ( planet was in that point and started 3D wave in point p1 )

Wave need time for distance L during this time all 3 mass are moving respect to point p1



Light = high preasure
Gravitation = ( hoover )

ALSO very importan and special are
Fr = m*V^2 / Radius


radius respect to UNIVERSE




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HISTORY
" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).
This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .
The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity."

MAROSZ
dear MR Gallileo Gravitation = 3D EM wave ( it is not ideal ball but it is not topic for this post )

EM wave speed is constant respect to point wherewave started
ENERGY RISE ISOTROPY !!!



We can measure difference forces if exist motion

Sun ----L----Earth >>> 20 km/s

Sun ----L----Earth >>>>>>>>> 1000 km/s

distance L is constant but INTENSTY OF SIGNAL IS GOING DOWN

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ULTRA PRECISION EXPERIMENT
ONE LONG ARM ( LIGO PIPE ) Marosz 2012


---------------------PIPE 4 km VACUUM ----------------
Laser -----1km-------



-----------------------------------------------------------


.....................^
.....................^ 30 km/s
.....................^

We turn on/off laser for very short time 1/300 000 sec only

light made 1 km and laser is off

inside pipe we have vacuum ( vacuum can not push light )

PIPE and EARTH are moving 30 km/s around SUN

3/300 000 sec later

---------------------PIPE 4 km VACUUM ---------------
Laser


............................................
-----1km-------
-----------------------------------------------------------








I ALREADY ASK ABOUT HELP PEOPLE IN LIGO
http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/

THEY WROTE ME eMAIL THAT IN LIGO THEY ARE LOOKING ONLY EINSTEIN's GRAVITATION EFFECT NO TIME FOR OTHER JOB , NO MONEY FOR SIMPLE EXPERIMENT ....

IN HOME I MADE VERY SIMPLE INSTRUMENT I HAVE PROBLEM WITH EXPENSIVE LASER ( stable temperature, )


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WHERE I SEE FUTURE FOR MY DISCOVERY ?

NEW INTERNAL GPS TYPE

WE NEED ONLY THREE CONSTANT VELOCITY
AND ASTRONOMY TIME ALGORITMS




ZERO SIGNAL LOST PROBLEM





NEW SYSTEM FOR AIPLANE /ROCKET






Radio wave or Light wave it is EM wave



EXPLAIN DARK MATTERY PROBLEM

I SEE AIRPLANE BUT I CAN NOT HEAR AIRPLAIN ?
WHAT IF I NOT SEE AND NOT HEAR AIRPLAINE

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QDhADrDXABA/UVl_hphDVsI/AAAAAAAAAxc/skybrn6FqbQ/s1600/darkmaterr.JPG



MAROSZ's AETHER MODEL

below IDEA can be the best computer CPU model ( many diffrernt HZ - zero HOT problem ( zero signal lost ) - gravitation is able help us change information's adress ) many informations in one and the same time ( ideal parallel magistrale )

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JSuPkGLL5RA/UVFJrlAx17I/AAAAAAAAAuA/rC_sxo68KBE/s1600/aether2.JPG







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