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I am going to answer your question in a more direct way because your experiment has been done routinely for 40 years. You agree the earth is moving at 30km/h so we have your motion and the moon is locked approximately to earths spin and motion of 30km/h and the average distance is 384,400 km (384 400 000m) just a fraction longer than your example. So we have your exact experiment.

Earth(orac) ----- 384,400,400m ------ Moon (Maciej Marosz)

The fixed relationship moving at 30km/h.

I am going to make one small change you are going to hold a mirror so I can fire the light photons/bullet and measure it's bounce back to me.

Now here is the result

http://www.cnet.com/news/full-moon-curse-lifted-looks-like-dusty-mirrors-are-to-blame/

The round-trip time to bounce the laser off the moon is about 2.5 seconds.

If you want a more technical
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

The biggest issue is getting the laser up through the atmosphere as discussed if we could do it in space like your experiment it would be a hell of a lot easier.

Does that answer you question as to what will happen?

It doesn't require my opinion because it is a science fact what will happen in your experiment laugh

The more interesting part of the experiment is what a truely stationary observer with respect to earth would see ... can you work it out? We also have an experiment that shows this result smile

So I answered your question now follow your example and my question. Please don't post your kiddy drawings and ideas I haven't told you my idea lets both just stick with example and see where it takes us.

Draw what the stationary observer sees do you see the problem?

Hint if stuck: (http://s14.postimg.org/9przyciz5/bounce.jpg)

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MY VERBAL ENGlISH IS BETTER below Ytube I made for ORAC and this forum

http://youtu.be/G7kLrs4-UiM


ORAC after Ytube you schould uderstand how to measure distance without TIME ( geometry only )

what is it Inverse square problem why we have winter and summer ?


MOON CAN BE ON
THE EARTH WE NEED ONLY DISTANCE L1 ,L2 !!!



THERE IS NO OPTION THAT TWO ASTRONOMERS WILL SEE THE SAME BRIGHTNESS !!! WE CAN EVALUATE EARTH MOTION

PLEASE compare above test to MICHELSON MORLEY
!!! AFTER 6 h ASTRONOMERS WIL BEE PERPENDICULAR TO 30 km/s


PHYSICS WHAT WE NEED CHANGE ?

HISTORY - SIMILAR PARAGRAPH RIGTH NOW WE HAVE IN BOOKS

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis: any two observers moving at constant speed and direction with respect to one another will obtain the same results for all mechanical experiments (it is understood that the apparatuses they use for these experiments move with them).

This idea has a very important consequence: velocity is not absolute. This means that velocity can only be measured in reference to some object(s), and that the result of this measurment changes if we decide to measure the velocity with respect to a diferent refernce point(s). Imagine an observer traveling inside a windowless spaceship moving away from the sun at constant velocity. Galileo asserted that there are no mechanical experiments that can be made inside the rocket that will tell the occupants that the rocket is moving .

The question ``are we moving'' has no meaning unless we specify a reference frame (are we moving with respect to that star'' is meaningful). This fact, formulated in the 1600's remains very true today and is one of the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity

MAROSZ

GALLILEO NATURAL FALL DAWN LAW + INVERSE SQUARE LAW /b]

m -----------Earth
M

Gallileo proved that mass M and m will natural fall down
in one and the same time

[b]Marosz's akapite


m------h------Earth-----h------m >>> motion

mass m left and mass m right will not fall down at one and the same time reason is Inverse square Law and motion

" Galileo postulated his relativity hypothesis:
Gallileo hypotesis is wrong ( Exist between two mass gravitation !!!)

EISTEIN solved UNREAL PROBLEM BECAUSE the cornerstones of Einstein's theories of relativity
IT IS FALSE

IN MY TEST I CAN EVALUATE DISTANCE OR VELOCITY WITHOUT STARS
WITHOUT NEW THEORY !!!! THERE IS NO ANY TIME SHIFT , THERE IS NO LOREZ REDUCTION

NEWTOW LAW OF GRAVITATION + INVERSE SQUARE LAW



INVERSE SQUARE LAW WORKS FOR LIGHT AND FOR GRAVITATION
WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN BOOKS VERY SIMILAR EQUATIONS !!!

MAROSZ's proposition we must add info about constant motion
( velocity arrow,direction, volume , Motion is abble change Forces )





Before we want to prepare new theory we must evaluate problem
and try find all other tools .When Galileo created ( in his time ) nobody use electric energy !!! electron = small mass m belwo test will help prepare modif. to Newton's Gravitation constant

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51441#Post51441

INVESE SQUARE LAW and EINSTEIN
couterexample not example




Mass M - rocket
mass m - person
distance L

BETWEEN MASS M and m exist gravitation forces

Where mass M started signal ?
Haw far from point P1 mass m will register the signal ?

M-----L------m >>>> constant acceleration
p1

mass M started wave in point P1 afer one h fly mass m willregister signal in point p2

................M-----L------m >>>> constant acceleration
p1 ..........................p2

after one week fly where will be point p2 ????
rocket accelerate accelerate and accelerate ....



DO YOU UNDERSTAND DIFFERENT BETWEEN PLANET's GRAVITTION
AND ACCELERATION !!!


Planet--m >>> constant motion
constant motion = constant inverse square law problem

TO FINISH TOPIC WE MUST SHOW MR MACH IDEA
( before MR MACH die he showed how AIRPLANE CAN
ESCAPE FROM PLACE IN SPACE WHERE STARTED OWN SOUND SIGNAL

completley new PHYSICS is below ( Marosz + Mach vision )
Airplane can escape from SOUND
Mass M can escape from own gravitation



what will be if Einstein's rocket speed = gravitation speed


MANY NEW FACTS IN PHYSICS WAIT IN PLACE WHERE NOW WE NOT SEE
MASS ? apparent position fast motion and we look there where is dark ?

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=50672#Post50672





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So in other words you want to ignore the result of your own thought experiment you created?

You insisted I answer your question and so I asked you look at the problem and not bring other rubbish in .... and look what you answered laugh.

AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE CALL YOU DROPKICK STUPID?

Ignoring facts to keep an argument going is the definition of a TROLL?

TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL.

Don't ever bother talking to me ever again Mr Troll I am going to completely ignore your stupidity and trolling your are a total waste of time and have proved you are nothing but a troll.

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In my opinion You not study the problem
I have have ... what ?

You graduate study ? or YOU study NEWSPAPER only

below full version test that You asked me

4 km long arm ? what about 384 000 km
we can measure all without clock !!!

I told you that clock it is not good tool
better is GEOMETRY time is relative geometry very old !


Tales - you knew that man

( people who made test that You showed will use my own method -- to calibrate own laser)


TALES - michelson morley ( 2014 - today 5 AM Poland )

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51461#Post51461

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Stop trolling.

Even a child can see a laser beam is not 3D it travels in a straight line so the idea light is 3D is beyond stupid you troll.

There are thousand of experiments to show the particle behaviour of light you just want to ignore like a lunatic.

You created the thought experiment and now you got caught by your own experiment smile

It was funny seeing you absolutely insist I answer the question not realizing the experiment had actually been done and when the answer wasn't what you expected and you couldn't argue it you had to ignore it ... classic laugh

Enough of the troll garbage go away troll and troll another site.

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strait flat line OK thank you

Why should we try test not strait line ( nobody before do this ? )

I'm sorry strait flat line ?

ORAC SIR STRAIT FLAT LINE ?

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2000/jul/19/laser-smashes-light-speed-record

and what YOU SEE THIS IN NEWSPAPER ok
now You understand that other people not see flat strait line?

photography it is magic
to take good photo You no need expensive camera


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Look you stupid pollack try reading the whole article ... there is nothing in that science didn't expect in the result.

GET IT THE RESULT WAS COMPLETELY EXPECTED ... THERE ARE ACTUALLY NO KNOWN EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS WITH LIGHT THAT ARE AN ANOMALY EXCEPT A SMALL DISPERSION EFFECT.

Wikipedia actually list all known science, geophysics, biology etc anamoly
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anomaly)

TROLL TROLL TROLL

CAN I SUGGEST YOU ACTUALLY TRY STUDYING WHAT IS KNOWN YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF LIKE YOUR POSTS ON RADIATION AND BACK HOLES smile

YOU KEEP TRYING TO CHANGE THE DISCUSSION I WONDER WHY?

Perhaps MR TROLL you can think about how how many other experimental facts you are "having to ignore" and pretend don't exist to make you bullsh1t theory work and that tells you why people call you an idiot. In the above you created an experiment and when you don't like the result you won't even talk about it and we call that TROLLING.

So answer the question how do we manage to bounce a laser beam off the moon we are both moving like you wanted?

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STRAIT LINE ?



people who can imagine many different times many different space huge level of Mathematica - see flat strait line on above picture ???

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You have a bulb in that torch.

It is firing beams out in multiple directions like a machine gun.

Put a pin hole (the smallest hole you can make) and a single shaft of light will come out.

You example shows nothing other than how stupid you are.

HINT: Try this at home get a piece of cardboard and stick a pin hole in it and tape it to the torch and not what happens to the beam dropkick ... most kids can guess what happens smile

Are your really trying to show how absolutely stupid your really are.

Here let me show you how we do it with the children.
(http://science-notebook.com/light01.html#LIGHT_RAYS)

And they usually work out => Light rays travel in straight lines, away from the light source

It's real hard 10-12 year old children can work it out smile

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RADIAL FLAT LINE ??





SUN ----- Earth ----> 20 km/s
p1

SUN started wave1 in point P1

after one sec we have situation

...20km...SUN ----- Earth ----> 20 km/s
p1

AFTER SIX MIUTES
..........................SUN ----- Earth ----> 20 km/s
p1


p1...p2...p3...p4...p5...SUN >>> motion

WE HAVE STRAIT FLAT LINES "AND WINTER "

after SIX months we have SUMMER ?

TALES from MILET ? FLAT LINES ? YE.... EINSTEIN ...
QUANTUM ... FLAT LINES !!!

ORAC 66.66 it is only one reason that we have winter and sumer ... YES I LIKE FLATE LINES THEORY zero 3D IMAGINATION and EINSTEIN

ORAC LIGHT NEED 6 minutes for distance 150 000 000 km
YES EARTH IS WAITING FOR SIGNAL BECAUSE IN MATHEMATICA WE USE FLAT LINE

GRAVITATION ?
WOW IT IS HUGE FLAT LINE






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Are you really trying to prove how stupid you are?

At the moment you are showing why the stereotype of the stupid pollack idiot exists smile

As I said it's real hard we can usually teach the 10-12 year old kids

Here let me show you how we do it with the children.
(http://science-notebook.com/light01.html#LIGHT_RAYS)

And they usually work out => Light rays travel in straight lines, away from the light source

10-12 year old children can work out what you can't laugh

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Oh THANK YOU COPERNIC ?
THANK YOU MARIA CURI ?

MAROSZ I'm sory FLAT LINE smile smile

FLAT LINE THEORY IS BLOCKING 3D
--- 3D we only like but TV not
EXPERIMENT :):):)

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WHAT WILL REGISTER MICHELSON MORLEY ?
150 000 000 km arm

FLAT WALL = MANY FLAT LINES ?



I'm SORY FLAT PEOPLE THINK THAT MORE LONG ARM = MORE BETTER
TEST ?:):):) or more biger mistake ???

NO they have EINSTEIN support so they not made mistake : ) smile

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ORAC - many people like experiment that we made in PAST
DO YOU UNDERSTAND FLAT LINE PROBLEM ?

PLEASE SPEAK WITH PEOPLE WHO LIKE PHOTOGRAPHY ? EXIST 100000000000000 many different GRAY COLOR

WHY YOU SEE ON FLAT LINE and BLACK / WHITE WORLD

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WHY WE HAVE INVERSE SQUARE LAW
ORAC HAVE FLAT LINE AND MATHEMATICA

http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/

http://youtu.be/9RbLLYCiyGE

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Newton do you understand that many people in the past thought the world was flat?

So if I argued that the world is flat because people in the past thought so that is EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

The correct answer is people in the past were uneducated and didn't know better.

You however don't have that excuse you just flat refuse to look at the answer that shows that what people thought in the past was wrong.

They had an excuse YOU DON'T.

That is why everyone calls you an idiot because it is not hard to show the behaviour of light we do it for most 10-12 year olds.


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Originally Posted By: newton
WHY WE HAVE INVERSE SQUARE LAW
ORAC HAVE FLAT LINE AND MATHEMATICA

http://web.media.mit.edu/~raskar/trillionfps/

http://youtu.be/9RbLLYCiyGE


You have an inverse square law if you setup properties so that light radiates in 3D.

The key point you ignore is light can be made not to go in 3D it can be made to go in 2D and 1D if you want.

The answer is given in the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law

HERE IS THE QUOTE: The inverse-square law generally applies when some force, energy, or other conserved quantity is evenly radiated outward from a point source in three-dimensional space.

NOTICE IT DOES NOT SAY LIGHT ALWAYS TRAVEL THIS WAY.

You are apply that law that is how light always travels and that is a lie.

To make light work like that in a light bulb you get a filament and wind it in a coil to make the beam fly in every direction so the 3D dispersion is a feature of the bulb filament not light itself.

A laser doesn't have that coiling and so the light simply flies in a straight line

You can actually make a laser like a light globe by firing it off a rotating and moving platform



Again pretty easy for even children to understand.

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2 D = MATHEMATICA
1 D = mathematica

4D = Einstein

10 D mdern QUANTUM



3D - NATURAL AND VERY OLD WORLD

Sun --------Earth >>> 20 km/s
P1

after 1 sec we have

....20 km... Sun --------Earth >>> 20 km/s
P1

Sun started light wave in point P1
Earth will register light after 6 minutes ...

Iverse Square Law and Motion ?



More far from place where signal started = lower intensity of signal
( "lower brightness" )
1R = X , 2R = X/4 , 3R = X/9
X- brightness, R- radius
the same energy portion but different area

IMPORTANT IS POINT p1 not actual ( fresh sun position )
but apparent position SUN IS SENDING PERFECT CIRCLE
from each new point in space
each wave rise up in all 3D directions C speed respect to point p1..p2...p3..p4

....20 km... Sun --------Earth >>> 20 km/s
P1

Please Imagine below situation 40 km/s and 20 km/s

........40 km....... Sun --------Earth >>> 20 km/s
P1




Earth ------SuN ------ Earth >>>> motion

speed up = that we will have stronger summer and stronger winter !!!!


Not exist any special relativity problem !!!

BELOW
MICHELSON MORLEY TALES LAW version

http://www.scienceagogo.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=51461#Post51461

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So the world is flat to a stupid pollack .... are you saying you really are dumber than a 10 year old child or are you just playing a stupid troll? smile

The obvious question is how do you explain a laser in your stupidity or just putting a pinhole in a piece of cardboard and putting it in front of your flash light laugh

You also still trying to avoid the original question how do we bounce a laser beam off the moon ... you started this question and your 3D beam wont answer it?

None of this is very hard and still your try and troll this garbage smile

PS: 4D = Einstein WRONG ..... 4D nature of light = MAXWELL
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations)

NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELATIVITY IT IS BASIC PROPERTIES OF LIGHT THAT CHILDREN CAN UNDERSTAND.

You worked out that your posts on black holes and radiation were stupid so we don't understand why you can't see the same is true of this rubbish.

That is why everyone thinks you are simply trying to TROLL because we can't honestly believe anyone is as stupid as you are acting ... I can't take you seriously I don't think we have anything left to talk about do you?

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ORAC ORAC ???

how many Hz have generator how works DIODE ( constant ? )

:):)

LINE FLAT STRAIT LINE ???

Oh good ? stupid polish boy ?

Like Einstein TOLD "EVERYTHING IS MOVING"

Please keep very strait Your laser ???
You can use Gyroscope for help ??

but You know what ??


p1..p2..p3..p4..p5..p6... ORAC >>> Motion

You were in point p1 ..p2 ..p3..p4 ...

YOU ARE MOVING not respect to stars but respect to point where
You were in past short time ago !!!

AND YOU CAN NOT ELIMINATE THIS MOTION FROM YOUR REAL WORLD

LASER's frequency = 120 000 000 Hz
LASER is INSIDE ROCKET and MOVING IN SPACE ?
Fact 1
Between each line exist distans 1/120 000 000 sec

Each Rocket is moving respect to point in space
where laser was in Past (with rocket) and where
laser started signal ( energy pack)

During time T light made distance "a" how many meters made rocket?




ORAC STRAIT FLAT LINE YOU HAVE


ONLY IN BOOKS AND IN MATHEMATICA


REAL PICTURE IS LIKE I SHOWED YOU
ABOVE

YOUR EYES SEE 50 Hz we can help

ULtra fast camera can help You ( we have to only ask maker please not use mathematica and please not eliminate blurr
this blurr not fit to customers eyes and vision but that blurr has got strong relation with motion and 24h period - if maker will eliminate blurr = they will use unreal filtre for flat people )

*****************************************************
GOOD TIP FOR YOU
please ask proffesional photographer
(exist peopl who feel light by finger 20 years -30 years )

You can start " I have a problem Bulb is in my room but my room is moving in space ... how to take a picture blurr - flare "

You can show them my method ( dark fitre, LED, long time )

I'm sure that they will show you better method

we can use also extra fast camera but MANUAL OLD CAMERA and
many trick with old FILM can be much more precission !!!

*************************************************



before I made above picture many people around my home call me Idiot why below few test

Each picture = story or mistery for people who not think that world is flat




BR MACIEJ MAROSZ NOT TROLL
I hope You uderstand how look strait line in my opinion
http://tesla4.blogspot.com

below I see Michael JORDAN 23 and DUNK
DO YOU SEE EINSTEIN ?


HOW MANY NEWS ABOUT EINSTEIN = TOTALY NONSENSE ?

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