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You mean Johnson, the one who refuted Bishop Berkley, the philosopher of immaterialism (that there are no material objects, only minds and ideas in those minds), who advocated subjective idealism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_lapidem

BTW, are you expecting a serious response from each of us who wrote on the point about conscience that was first raised by Ellis?

Serious response? This is SAGG!

Yes, that's the Dr Samuel Johnson; the one with the sore foot.

Were you expecting a serious response to this?:

Could be we should start this one again.

Perhaps we should forget it. I don't want it on my conscience.

Guilt is self prescribed thru the ideas of self worth.

Nothing wrong with having any kinds of thoughts or feelings as long as they don't have you.

You aren't your thoughts.

Unless, of course, you are the ultimate solipsist; in which case, like Abbott’s occupant of Pointland, you and the whole cosmos would be your thoughts. However, you would then have little need of a conscience.

Solipsism:
sol·ip·sism
[sol-ip-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
Philosophy . the theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist.
2.
extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires, etc.; egoistic self-absorption.

If it pertains to the philosophical point of view, Conscience would be whatever served the natural evolution of the cosmos.
Like floating down a river, one does not try to grasp onto the shoreline for fear of the water and its direction. Knowing that its inevitable end is to merge with the infinite ocean that it empties into, you would also know that the water that made the river came from where it will go.

Energy is energy and all feelings can be witnessed by the individual rather than being consumed by them. One would need only to know that feelings are not a bad thing.

Unfortunately most adults teach their children that feelings are inappropriate in certain places and that they make others feel uncomfortable. This being the rule one finds themselves uncomfortable with their own feelings as they learn to accept that it is uncomfortable to witness another have their feelings.
Makes for a sphinctered emotional mindset where everyone fears the feelings of others, and that may remind them of how bad feelings are.

Today, 10th May, the three surviving puppies were two weeks old. They are all gaining weight well, have their eyes open and are sprouting whiskers.

Great news!! You will have to get them moustache cups!

Is the mum fully recovered?

Physically she seems to be back to normal, but the whole experience appears to have traumatised her to the extent that she will probably never be the same without psychiatric intervention.

No more litters for her!

Bill, may I suggest pneumatherapy. It enabled our two cats to live just short of twenty years. Both took off for the "undiscovered country" peacefully--without our having to take that dreaded visit to the vet. Their bodies are now part of our flower garden.

Alfie says he is glad to hear you are a cat person. In his (not very humble) opinion, that means you cannot be all bad.

Bomber, before the puppies arrived.

Bomber,after two weeks of broken nights.

And it's Mothers' Day to-day here in Oz!!!! All of whom (perhaps secretly) sympathise with Bomber from the bottom of their hearts.

Of course you may; all suggestions gratefully received.

May I also make a suggestion? Wiki could do with some real information on pneumatherapy. How about it, Rev?

Happy Mothers' Day to all Ozzie mums.

Definition of the soul and how it could be broken and in need of therapy would be a real boon to the idea of pneuma

Is it necessary to be able to produce a human definition of something in order to recognise that it is broken, or indead that it might be able to be mended?

If indeed something is broken or in need of therapeutic intervention. It might be useful to know (in human terms) THAT.... which you intend to apply human remedies.


The Rev. did suggest the prescription as he applied it to his cats.

I'd be curious as to how the spirit gets broken. More than likely the relationship to it needs attention, but that would necessarily require an understanding of spirit and the human relationship to spirit