If Idaho suddenly developed a huge industry making furniture very cheaply.
you mean like the cheap furniture you can get from china?
the kind that you need to replace every year if you dont actually sit on it.
maybe we should carry that one step further.
Suppose We produce portable cardboard homes for the homeless Americans who no longer have any type of life thanks to the stupid republicans desire to help the rich.
this way they could fold up their home so that the stupid a
merican republican voters wont have to be troubled with seeing poor A
Thats really not a bad idea kallog , the homeless could build cardboard homes from the endless supply of cardboard packaging that comes from products from china.
they are already familiar with being homeless and they could sell pre-fabbed homes for those entering the homeless marketplace , perhaps the homes could even come with tips for keeping warm such as stuffing shipping peanuts and bubble wrap in their clothing , etc.
perhaps they will be the next middle class.
And other states' furniture makers couldn't compete.
I dont really see a problem with competition , there will be plenty of cardboard available in each state of the dissolving union as the republicans tighten their economic grip on Americans forcing them to abandon all hope of labor unions , and health care , and to accept lower wages that would be more competitive with wages in china.
so each state will have a tried and true pool of homeless educated entrepreneurs fully capable of providing the needs of the those entering the homeless market.
Should trade across state boarders be restricted by tariffs?
No way , this United States is United , still , believe it or not.
if a state cannot compete with another state, given that the states have similar miminum wages set between them , then the reason for the business in the non-competitive state to be non - competitive must lie within its organization and its buisness practices.
no tarrifs between the states - no contracts between the states to exclude other states from competition.
Or would be it better to let all people in the country enjoy the advantages of cheap Idaho furniture if they want?
then you would only be building up a economy in Idaho and
since Idahoans would be the only people able to afford the cheap Idahoan furniture that would remove the supply of cardboard that would normaly be found in the other states
and that would cause expensive but necessary shipping of the cardboard to the other states who are manufacturing the cardboard homes for those Idahoans who have recently entered the homeless market and have been pushed out because you can only have so many workers in a single state that produces cheap furniture and the rich state of Idaho would not want to take care of its fallen citizens using the Idahoan corporations capital.
Cheaper goods means you can get more with less money!
AH , theres the catch , cheaper goods also means you will get less money.
you have to get less money because the goods keep getting cheaper and cheaper due to competition , this means that your cheaper goods are costing your children their future.
You want Americans to be stuck in a backward economy where people can hardly afford computers and video cameras because they spent all their money on overpriced shoes and cooking utensils.
you mean like the economy were in right now dont you , like paying $180.00 for the new style nikes?
I used to earn $2.15 an hour minimum wage and I could buy the best pair of shoes for less than $10.00 at any department store.
that means that minimum wage would make me work apx 5 hours to buy the most expensive pair of shoes.
now in order to buy the most expensive nikes $180.00 I would have to be getting $36.00 minimum wage.
the backward economy your speaking of is the result of free trade and inflation.
and the inflation is the result of free trade.
all of Americas problems are the result of free trade with countries that have lower wages than American minimum wages.
can your beloved chinese build all the worlds products paying its slave laborers $7.25 U.S. minimum wages?
and Im not talking about the chinese equivalent of $0.30 an hour either.
Americans would look up to UK and Germany as the economic winners, where everyone's rich.
Really , so the U.K. and Germany are immune to the greed disease?
according to the news England and possibly even Germany are in financial straights , hopefully you guys dont get involved in another war again , we have already kicked englands ass
once and saved its ass twice because of your inability to govern yourselves and possibly your political stance.
so you get in a fix again and you may just be annexed into china because we wont be capable of saving your asses again.
you just might have that bright future as a chinese laborer in your future earning that $0.30 U.S. an hour.
Im sure you would be pleased with that outcome as defensive as you seem to be of free trade.
Young people would dream of emigrating to those successful countries to enjoy the better life.
they probably would !
But is this to keep people in or out?
china doesnt have a large population so it should be a simple task for those dreamers to walk around that wall so they can earn the higher wages and live the chinese dream.
So unemployment has been steadily rising since then? And it was consistently lower before that? Are you sure?
I cant find a chart that shows the true disposition of former workers in the U.S. but heres a chart that shows the increase of people as they enter the SSI market.
This must be the chart that those who cannot find a job in a jobless environment end up on.
the above SSI chart is 10 years old and does not show the massive results from the gw bush recession but if you draw an imaginary line from 1991 - 2001 then continue to 2011 the chart should show apx 10 million on SSI.
still it is only a fraction of our workforce of apx 130 million with 11% of those showing up on the unemployment charts.
which means we have a working workforce that is transitioning from industry into other forms of work such as working at wallmart or mcdonnalds or any of the new restuarants.
and we have apx 14 million workers on unemployment.
and apx 10 million or possibly more on SSI
which brings our workforce down to apx 110 million from the pre - bush eras.
or is that errors?
and those who are unable to find work after their unemployment runs out will move to the SSI chart.
we cant continue to loose jobs and it seems the rich are not wanting to provide a fix for their mistakes so a really good thing that could help the job situation in the U.S. would be for the Government to take the money they are giving the rich corporations and stop the tax cuts to the rich and use that money to give to small businesses in the form of loans and grants to get the people off of unemployment before they become dissabled.
heres another chart that shows the increase of people on SSI
Let me add that alot of the people on the SSI charts are working , they have a job , the job that they now have just dont pay the bills.
I imagine alot of those people work at wallmart and the many resturants that have popped up in the U.S. in the past decade or so since the republicans have had their way with us.
BTW , corporations are not people , corporations are simply owned by people that can afford to buy shares in that corporation.
if a person buys a share of stock for $0.10 a share and that share of stock rises in value to $100.00 then that person has a capital gain or income as the price of that stock rises.
theres really no difference between a working class person putting money in a savings account that earns interest and a billionaire buying stocks that pay dividends and / or has a rise in value.
if you gain money in your savings account you are charged taxes on that gain , so should the rich be charged on their income gains from buying and selling stock.
if he holds that stock and it gains in value he should pay taxes on that gain come tax time.
when he sales that stock and recieves that gain he should pay taxes on that income.
just like a working class person pays when he gets income by working for it.
income tax means income tax , rich or poor it has the same definition.
the U.S. has been giving the rich tax breaks and tax cuts year after year in the hopes that those dollars would bring new jobs to the U.S. and not just new jobs but more jobs but that has only increased the number of jobs in other countries.