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from 1990 - 1999 the average death toll for a NORMAL influenza season was apx 36,000 in the U.S.

At least 4,525 people have died from swine flu infections since the A(H1N1) virus was uncovered in April, the World Health Organisation said Friday.

6 months of swine flu = 4525 deaths
so swine flu needs apx 31,475 deaths to catch up with NORMAL

Google search for squalene in N1H1

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=squalene+in+N1H1&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/squalene-a-history-of-vaccine
In her article, "The Adverse Effects of Adjuvants in Vaccines" (Nexus Magazine Dec. 2000), Australian vaccine researcher Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., lists the autoimmune diseases that have been linked to squalene injections in humans—arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease, Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.
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"Squalene is a kind of trigger for the real biological weapon: The immune system. When the immune system’s full repertoire of cells and antibodies start attacking the tissues they are supposed to protect, the results can be catastrophic," wrote Matsumoto. Dr. Pam Asa concurs with Matsumoto when she stated," Oil adjuvants are the most insidious chemical weapon ever devised."
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West continues, "The main proponents for the use of squalene in vaccines have been the U.S Department of Defense and the NIH. The anti-squalene antibodies found in sick American and British military personnel are evidence that military experimentation has caused an unprecedented health catastrophe in tens of thousands of people onto whom the vaccine was forced and who were denied the right to make an informed decision based on existing scientific knowledge of the dangers of injecting squalene."

Based upon decades of research in animals and humans, once oil-based adjuvants become the most common adjuvant contained in vaccines, there will be no way the pharmaceutical industry will be able to claim mass vaccination is necessary to prevent the spread of infectious diseases—it will be an open declaration of war on mankind. "By adding squalene to their new anthrax vaccine, they did not make a better vaccine, they made a biological weapon," Matsumoto observed.
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It looks as if the Worlds Medical Industry is about to get
some government enforced / financed job security with the swine flu shot , that is if the workers in the medical field will be healthy enough to treat the worlds population...

its all about supply and demand.
they supply what will make you ill and they demand you take it.

There are thousands of strains of flu, dozens of which are going about at any time. The bigger number includes all the strains together. Here we have a single strain causing so many deaths.

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-SwineFlu/idUSTRE5984RT20091009

Here's an article that talks about the difference in child deaths between two different time periods - and then keep in mind that once again, it's several strains vs one strain.

the arcticle states that
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Several studies reported this week show that most people, including children, who die from swine flu have underlying conditions making them more susceptible, but some who are healthy are also dying, the CDC said.

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So could it be that the squalene in the vacine could damage the immune system in people / children that have any underlying illness and cause deaths from the underlying illnesses.

is this not still deaths?
according to what little bit I understand about this
the squalene itself is worse than the virus would be.

are people are affraid of the vacine simply because we dont trust our governments.

No.. there are scientist from the FDA who dont trust the vacine and have refused to take it themself.

the military is refusing it...

it seems that those closest to our government and in our government are those who are mostly affraid of taking it...

hey if someone I knew that worked in a meat packing plant told me he wouldnt eat the meat they processed in his plant
more than likely if I had a way to determine which meats were processed in his plant , I would not eat any either.

"So could it be that the squalene in the vacine could damage the immune system in people / children that have any underlying illness and cause deaths from the underlying illnesses."


I have no idea how you infer that from the sentence you quoted; namely,

"Several studies reported this week show that most people, including children, who die from swine flu have underlying conditions making them more susceptible, but some who are healthy are also dying, the CDC said."


That there are a few people in the military who refuse it is irrelevant, since many military get their "news" from FOX which exaggerates, misrepresents and even outright lies to foment anti-government sentiment.

I would be interested to know who the FDA scientists are who reject the vaccine and what their backgrounds are.

I must have thought that you read the 1st post in this thread , sorry.



"Squalene is a kind of trigger for the real biological weapon: The immune system.

Squalene is in the N1H1 vaccine.


the autoimmune diseases that have been linked to squalene injections in humans
arthritis,
fibromyalgia,
lymphadenopathy,
rashes,
photosensitive rashes,
malar rashes,
chronic fatigue,
chronic headaches,
abnormal body hair loss,
non-healing skin lesions,
aphthous ulcers,
dizziness,
weakness,
memory loss,
seizures,
mood changes,
neuropsychiatric problems,
anti-thyroid effects,
anaemia,
elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate),
systemic lupus erythematosus,
multiple sclerosis,
ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease,
Raynaud’s phenomenon,
Sjorgren’s syndrome,
chronic diarrhoea,
night sweats and low-grade fevers.



http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scientist+refuse+N1H1+vaccine&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

I heard that about the FDA scientist on the radio one day in the last month or so , but when I did a search for it I could not find it.

anyway the following link has a little more UMMPH to it as these are scientist that MADE the vaccine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyus...r_embedded#t=16

The way you juxtaposed that claim it made is seem like it was a conclusion not from the first post, but from the previous sentence.

The first post has claims stuff, but doesn't back them up.

The first post cites CLAIMS made by Viera Scheibner, Ph.D. as an expert in vaccination. However, Dr. Scheibner's Ph.D. is in micropaleontology. She IS NOT an expert in vaccinations. Paul, man, you're spreading rumors based on the rantings of a kook who is speaking far afield from anything she knows about.

I can't respond about some anonymous people in the FDA.

For the other stuff, I could do a google search myself. I don't have time to wade through the random ravings of people who think they know more than they actually do. Is there a specific, science-based site that contains results of actual experiments of squalene IN THE DOSES THAT ARE USED IN FLU SHOTS?

Oh dear! I had the vaccination last week!

I'm suffering no ill effects--- YET! I always get the seasonal flu injection and usually have a sore and swollen arm afterwards for a week or so. Not this time. Quite OK...... However I have noticed this time that when I tell people I have had the Swine Flu vaccination I have an unusual reaction from some of them. They ask, all concerned, if I am OK, and was I worried about side-effects. Something has spooked the population very efficiently. Why? With this vaccine rather than others?

Anyway-- no harm done to me or the others I know of who have had the injection. And I certainly don't ever want to have flu again.

My entire family has had our annual flu shots. We plan to take the H1N1 vaccine as soon as it is available. We already got sick with flu A once this year. It might have been H1N1, but the test we took was not specific to that. We'll take the vaccine anyway to be sure.

For reference, H1N1 is a type of flu A. The test for H1N1 is MUCH more expensive than the test for flu A. So the recommended procedure has been UNLESS someone is from a certain high risk group, to only test for flu A (instead of the more expensive H1N1 specific test). The implication of this morsel of information is that H1N1 is almost certainly under reported.

In any case, we all got tamiflu which is really a miracle drug, but not the best way to deal with the disease. When my youngest (16.5 yo) got sick, I thought she had been exaggerating, because of pressure at school. I was such an ass and I ought to have known better. Daughter was the first infected in our house. On the one hand they did have kids at her school with H1N1 - on the other hand, this seemed way too severe, because as has already been noted, H1N1 is supposedly not that bad for most people. For my wife, it wasn't that bad. For my daughter and I, it was the worst flu I've ever had. Anyway, we can't be sure, but I suspect it wasn't swine flu, meaning we're still susceptible it. So we're definitely getting the jab.

I used to get colds and the Flu every year , but now if I
feel any symptoms at all , ANYTHING I take a couple of ounces of colloidal silver by mouth , and inhale a few squirts with the mist sprayer and spray a few squirts in my nose.

then I take a caprylic acid tablet just afterwards.

then I take 2 Echinacea & Goldenseal Root capsules to strenghten my immune system and clear up any congestion in my respiratory system.

the next day I take a PB-8 tablet to replinish the good bacteria because caprylic acid kills all bacteria even the good bacteria.

the colds and Flu dont stand a chance if I catch it fast enough.

I used to wait a day or so and let it set in to see how quickly the above would kick its A$$ but I found that waiting could allow a sore throat to develope that would last for a week or more.

Which meant that I had to coat my throat with the caprylic acid and when you have bacteria in your throat the caprylic acid really burns the throat.

I suppose I should go running to the Emergency room every time I feel sick , and I could free of charge , but I dont...

I did visit a Doctor about 20 years ago when I could not sleep , he looked at me and said my clock was wrong , No prescription to help me sleep , no referal to a specialist.

I paid him the $80.00 and never bothered with him again.

P.S.

I hadnt slept in over six months when I went in for the visit.

I also didnt have any type of medical coverage either.

http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=24659



Thousands of Military personell have become ill after being injected with ( experiments ) do you really think that the results of these experiments would be readily available to mainline science?

Im not exactly sure whats going on with this , but it really appears that this is a type of job security for the health INDUSTRY...

Ellis , I wouldnt think you would be in any type of life threatening situation.

After all if I am correct in my thinking the focus is on creating long term illnesses thereby supplying the health INDUSTRY with long term patients and a never ending supply of income.

When you think about it , all of the products are made in other countries , and we are the consummers of those products.

and when it comes to INDUSTRY / MONEY those INDUSTRIES would not want to terminate their consummers / money.

How big is the health INDUSTRY in OZ?
in the U.S.A.?

would you say that it is or is approaching the number 1 industry?

Nations that no longer produce products might think of other ways to produce or maintain jobs.

FF- in March I received the usual seasonal flu vac, Later in the year, I developed a dreadful case of what seemed to my doctor to be Swine Flu. There was quite an epidemic in Oz and at first people were tested for it, then the universal testing was abandoned and people were told they 'probably' had Swine Flu. However because I am over 65 the protocol was that I should be tested. I was put on Relenza before the result as the doctor was so sure I had SF. I didn't!! I had flu, but an ordinary one.

As I developed a bad chest infection as a complication I was told to have the SF flu vac a s a p. So I did, at the first opportunity.

The curious things are a) I developed seasonal flu in spite of being vaccinated and b) If I were not 'so old' I would think I had had SF and so may not have protected myself by vaccination. There must be others in this situation, who believe they have had SF but have not. I notice that here everyone is being encouraged to vaccinate, and it is completely free of charge.

The flu I had and its subsequent complications were awful, and like you I felt it was a really really bad flu.

An important point to remember is that after one receives a vaccine, immunity does not kick in until some days afterward. I don't recall the exact number, but it's probably something like 7 to 10 days. But I don't think that explains your case.

At any given time, there are dozens (probably even hundreds or thousands) of flu strains percolating around the globe. The typical vaccine covers maybe 3 or 4 of those strains. It's a statistical guessing game health officials play each year to figure out which strains to include in a vaccine.

If one has had every flu vaccine ever made, she is still susceptible to the vast majority of strains.

In any case, we all got tamiflu which is really a miracle drug, but not the best way to deal with the disease. When my youngest (16.5 yo) got sick, I thought she had been exaggerating, because of pressure at school. I was such an ass and I ought to have known better. Daughter was the first infected in our house. On the one hand they did have kids at her school with H1N1 - on the other hand, this seemed way too severe, because as has already been noted, H1N1 is supposedly not that bad for most people. For my wife, it wasn't that bad. For my daughter and I, it was the worst flu I've ever had. Anyway, we can't be sure, but I suspect it wasn't swine flu, meaning we're still susceptible it. So we're definitely getting the jab.

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The Seasonal flu killed more people than Swine flu, why do we worry about this?

Analytical

1. "The" seasonal flu is a number of different strains. H1N1 is a single strain.

2. The season flu numbers are estimated extrapolations based on actual counts that are much lower, while the H1N1 numbers we see are actual counts that are underestimates (because few people are tested specifically for H1N1, but are instead tested for flu-A, of which H1N1 is a particular type).

I'll prefer advice from the CDC over that of random Internet commentators.

Colds/flu are not caused by bacteria Paul they are caused by viruses.

You retard...yes...RETARD...!!!!

Eduardo-- Personal abuse such as yours has no place in any discussion. The term 'retard', as used by you is a term of abuse as revolting as any I have ever heard. People with intellectual, or other disability, have more handicap placed on them by unthinking name-calling than the original disability ever causes. You are fortunate to be an intelligent and reasoning individual. Be thankful for this and do not use such a disparaging term again.

Grow up.

Thankyou for confirming my assertation that paul is a retard.

Sorry Ellis, normally I would agree with you, but in this case paul really is an incorrigable fukwit. He has not changed one iota in the three years I have been away and if that doesn't deserve the term 'retard' then I don't know what does!