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#26954 - 07/01/08 03:55 PM Aether Wave Theory
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Aether Wave Theory is recent incarnation of the ancient Aether concept in its original, most natural form. It describes the Universe as a word of nested inertial fluctuations of infinitely hot & dense massive environment, i.e. the Aether.

What such approach can be good for today, after one hundred years of relativity and quantum mechanics theory? We'll see - lets talk about it by unbiased, open-minded way.

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#26965 - 07/01/08 11:13 PM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: Zephir]
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Very interesting topic, Zephir. For the most part, we do seem stuck with idle speculation, but from what I've read, from people like Frank Wilczek, there seems hope that the physical properties of so called 'empty space' will be discovered in this century - hopefully within the next decade, if LHC has much to do with it.
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#26982 - 07/04/08 12:40 PM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: redewenur]
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The classical Aether theories have described the Aether from perspective of thin gas. This was a typical misconduct, because the light of high energy density cannot be mediated by very thin environement. Aether Wave Theory therefore extrapolates the behavior of ultradense inertial systems, like the interior of dense stars and black holes. Surprisingly, very low number of scientists so far have interested about inertial physics of high density matter.

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#27167 - 07/17/08 07:00 PM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: Zephir]
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So, what the whole Aether Wave Theory (AWT) is about? The AWT doesn't explain, what the reality is. It just assumes, every piece of reality is composed of many other pieces, recursively. These pieces are required to behave like colliding particles to become observable. So we can extrapolate the behavior of large set of such entities by the model of Boltzmann gas, composed of inertial particles. These particles aren't required to be observable directly, but they're forming the density fluctuations, which are observable already.

We can explain this idea by the example of dense condensing gas or supercritical fluid. We aren't required to see the individual molecules, but the density fluctuations of these molecules are apparent for us.



We can apply the same concept on the resulting fluctuations, which are behaving here as a new generation of particles and we can repeat the whole explanation again on higher level. By AWT the reality is formed by nested field of fluctuations, which are created by other fluctuations, recursively. The level of this recursion is virtually unlimited (albeit we can deduce some practical limits of this concept later). And we are living inside of one level of such fluctuations, which corresponds the current Universe generation.

Under thorough observation we can even observe the signs of such behavior inside the condensing supercritical fluid. At the moment of condensation, the density fluctuations of fluid are so massive, they can behave as a new particle generation and they can form another level of fluid with its own surface, as depicted on the right animation.

The Aether Wave Theory just extrapolates this real-life example to the infinite density and infinite number of particle condensation levels. As we can demonstrate later, despite of its simplicity, the behavior of such system can be infinitely complex and this trivial concept is surprisingly powerful with respect to explanation of many different aspects of modern physics without introducing of additional ad-hoc assumptions and/or abstract postulates.

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#27298 - 07/25/08 08:13 PM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: Zephir]
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"Zero version" of article about AWT on Knol, a new alternative of Wikipedia by Google.

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#27323 - 07/27/08 10:17 AM The dense Aether concept motivation [Re: Zephir]
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The motivations of AWT is easy to understand even for layman people - this is the main advantage of this rudimentary "theory of everything". The main point is, the light is spreading in waves through space-time and here's no principal difference between vacuum forming the space and the vacuum, forming the particles of matter. So we can say, the light is spreading through vacuum in waves, because the vacuum is behaving like common matter from this perspective.

But as we know, the light can transfer energy of virtually unlimited density, which effectively rules out all previous thin/sparse models of luminiferous aether. It means, all previous models of sparse Aether were based on very trivial misunderstanding of the concept of luminiferous Aether, which was common both for Aether proponents, both for Aether deniers. Only Sir Oliver J. Lodge has recognized the relevance of the dense Aether model explicitly, but his insight was ignored even by Aether proponents (T.J.J.See in particular) and as such it was completely forgotten.



Instead of this, the Aether must behave like very dense particle system and as we can demonstrate later, from this assumption the foamy structure of vacuum and transversal character of light wave spreading can be deduced - between many other things.

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#27324 - 07/27/08 10:48 AM The behavior of dense particle systems. [Re: Zephir]
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The behavior of dense particle systems is surprisingly poorly studied in contemporary physics from Victorian era - the main reason is, it doesn't fits well the formal approach of contemporary physics, because the heavily parallelized system of many particles is not so easy to describe by consecutive logic of formal math. Even the simplest system of few gravitational bodies is difficult to compute and predict by existing math formalism - which is the reason, our knowledge is quite rudimentary in this point.

But the behavior of dense systems of many particles can by modeled by computers by now and the complexity of such model is limited just by computational power. Therefore we can model the behavior of dense sphere, formed by mutually attracting and repulsing particles in 2/3D easily (a particle model of dense star, or something similar).



As we can see, as the hydrostatic pressure increases, the particles will agglomerate into clusters, which will agglomerate further into more dense clusters, formed by previous generation of clusters. During this, the character of previous cluster generations disappears gradually and under certain mass-energy density the existing forces will not be able to keep some persistent structures at all - the particles inside of sphere will form a less or more chaotic system, similar to dynamic foam.



The same foam of density fluctuations can be observed inside of every dense particle system, like the condensing supercritical fluid, so that such system is quite relevant from physical point of view. We can see, at the certain level of mass/energy density the positive curvature of density fluctuations is switched into negative curvature sponge of foam. This foam is formed by original "blobby" density fluctuations, which were compacted into form of thin 2D membranes and 1D strings. If we continue further with increasing of pressure, the so called the phase transition will occur and the strings will condense into 0D particles - a droplets of new phase, which can form a new system of particles, which will behave by very similar way, like the previous one.

It means, in Aether Wave Theory no fundamental particles really exists - every particle here is in fact the heavily collapsed density fluctuation of the previous particle generation. Such scale invariant particles can be called "unparticles" in analogy to some recent models - but in AWT no true particle from general point of view exist - everything is "unparticle" here, in fact.

Surprisingly enough, the emergent unparticle stuff was proposed originally ad-hoc, i.e by the same way, like the concepts of emergence, string and branes and hidden dimensions and many other usefull concepts - i.e. with no relation to the simple Aether model above described. Can it serve as an evidence of the human intuition or stupidity?

Lets decide for yourself - such dual stance is nothing unusual in AWT, after all. We can call it a "New Physics", but in fact it remains a physics of Victorian era.

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#27325 - 07/27/08 11:20 AM The consequences of the AWT model 1 [Re: Zephir]
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Every model - despite of its apparent simplicity - should bring something new into existing understanding, the testable prediction(s) in particular. The main advantage of AWT is in ability to model and explain the main ad-hoced aspects of contemporary theories, the light speed invariance and the mass-energy equivalence of relativity theory and the quantum wave nature of quantum mechanics.

Concerning the light speed invariance, tnis concept can be divided into invariance with respect to environment (i.e. the absence of reference frame of environment) and with respect to observer. The first invariance is much more easier to understand.

The whole trick here is, the speed of every wave can be considered invariant with respect to its environment by its very definition. This is because the environment for wave spreading cannot be detected just by using of such wave. If some particle is serving as an environment, it cannot serve as a subject of observation in this environment and vice-versa - simply because no object can serve as a mean of its own observation.

From the above insight follows, every attempt to detect the environment just by using of waves, which are using the same environment for its spreading is hopeless nonsense even from purely semantic point of view. The question remains, why so many brilliant people have tried (and failed, of course...) to detect the environment for light wave spreading just by using of light waves? We are facing the flagrant misunderstanding of the Aether concept again.

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#27326 - 07/27/08 12:01 PM Re: The consequences of the AWT model 2 [Re: Zephir]
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While the light speed invariance appears natural in AWT, the concept of dense Aether explains, why it was so difficult to understand it even for Aether proponents. The trick is, the inertial energy spreading always follows the surface of energy density gradients, because of highest local density gradients, which are slowing/mediating every inertial energy spreading.



This can be understood easily by using of surface water waves example. The fact, most of energy spreads along the water surfaces in transversal waves doesn't means, the energy cannot spread through air or underwater in longitudinal waves - on the contrary. During shallow water explosion most of energy will spread through air and underwater shock waves. But the energy density of these waves will be quite negligible due the low volume fraction of water surface. This is because the water is rather incompressible fluid, while the air is compressible enough, but it's density is rather low with compare to density of water. By such way, the surface density gradient of water is the place, where the energy can spread by the lowest speed and the energy density of explosion is much more pronounced here, so just the surface waves are having the strongest devastating effect. From surface observer perspective, the effects of both underwater, both air waves are rather negligible - the main portion of energy will spread in surface wave.

And this is the key in understanding of transversal nature of light. As I explained above, the vacuum can be considered as a dense system of energy density gradients, similar to foam. And most of energy will spread along surfaces of these gradients, i.e. along strings and membranes, forming such foam at the distance in transversal waves. The portion of energy, which will spread through bulk of such foam will remain negligible the more, the more pronounced these gradients will be.

From the above follows, because of high vacuum density, most of energy will spread through it in transversal waves and the longitudinal portion of energy spreading (the gravitational waves) will remain completely negligible with compare to the transversal one (the light waves). Furthermore, the longitudinal waves will disperse by foam membranes fast, so they will remain difficult to detect at large distances. Therefore the Aether foam model explains the transversal character of light waves and it even brings a new insight into contemporary problem of gravitational waves detection.

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#27338 - 07/27/08 08:50 PM The consequences of the AWT model 3 [Re: Zephir]
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If we're thinking about reference frame of Aether, we can put the following question: if the particle of environment, forming the wave cannot be observed by such wave by definition, maybe the neighboring particles can still remain observable?

But from transversal character of prevailing energy spreading follows, the detection of environment is problematic even at the case, we will consider non-local effects/phenomena. The real life experience with surface waves can explain it again. The real water ripples are surprisingly complex mixture of transversal and longitudinal waves, depending the water depth and wavelength in particular ( gravity waves, Rayleigh-Lamb, (Q-, P-, S-)Love and capillary waves).

The driving phenomena is dispersion here. The waves of very long wavelength are gravity waves, they're of longitudinal character and the compressibility of water takes place here. The speed of motion of such waves (celerity) is completely additive to speed of water environment itself, being driven by Galileo transform.

The very tiny waves of wavelength bellow 1 cm are so small, they're dispersed by density fluctuations of water molecules (the analogy of Rayleigh dispersion of blue daylight by density fluctuations of atmosphere). The celerity of such wave is additive to speed of environment, too.



But in certain intermediate range (about 1.7 cm or so) the speed of surface waves passes minimum, because in this range the effects of both short distance, both long distance range dispersion can be minimized. Such waves are called the capillary waves and they're of pronouncedly transversal and as such non-dispersive character. With respect of such waves the water surface is behaving like thin elastic membrane hanging in the free space with (nearly) no underwater dispersion at all. Because of lack of dispersion, these waves of minimal speed 23 cm/s (1/2 mph), so they can spread the energy/information with the maximal intensity and the speed of energy spreading doesn't depend on the speed of water environment - which is the behavior typical for light spreading in vacuum, as described by relativity theory.

Such behavior is the more pronounced, the more pronounced is the surface gradient. Because the vacuum is of extremely high density, these waves are the nearly exclusive source of information here with very subtle reference frame ( Lense-Thirring effect). This doesn't mean, the energy cannot spread in longitudinal waves through vacuum - it indeed can. But we aren't observing such waves in the intermediate scale of wavelength because of their weakness and quantum noise, which is the result of dispersion and separation of time arrows.

The interesting coincidence is, the 1,7 cm wavelength corresponds those of cosmic microwave background nearly exactly - it can be considered as the middle of dimensional scale of our Universe, because it allows the energy spreading from the oldest and most distant parts of Universe - from the Big Bang event directly. It's not accidental coincidence, the 1,7 cm wavelength corresponds the scale of human neurons - its the scale of maximal Universe complexity (neg-entropy) achievable because of lowest speed of information spreading.

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#27402 - 07/31/08 03:16 PM Conservative character of contemporary science [Re: Zephir]
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The conservative character of contemporary science consist in fact, it's interested about phenomena just because they're fitting the well established theories (like the Higgs boson of Standard Model, for the support of which an incredible money were invested) - not because they can refute these theories. From this moment the originally progressive science turned into reactionary, success oriented movement.

By such way, a whole range of controversial, but extremely interesting & important phenomena (like cold fusion, aether model, various psychic phenomena, etc.) are systematically ignored by mainstream science - although one would expect, they're will be considered with caution just because they can disprove the established paradigms. This is because of peer-review and grant system, which prohibits a local mutations and mistakes, so that the curious, investigative character of science was suppressed gradually. This effectively turned the science into sort of theology: it looks only for the reasons, by which it can be confirmed, but not refuted.

By such approach, the meaning of scientific method based on falsifications of theories was turned upside down. From Poppers methodology, one would expect, the scientists will be interested about cold fusion just because it can help to falsify the existing theories - but exactly the opposite is true by now. The contemporary science isn't interested about falsification experiments at all, it just seeks for further confirmations to keep its social position and esteem in the eyes of publicity - pretty well like theology of medieval era.



Such behavior has a deep physical meaning from Aether Wave Theory perpsective, which is using a concept of nested foam, which changes its curvature from positive to negative with scale. By such way, the originally progressive object changes with scale into regressive one, a sort of black hole, which prohibits a further evolution. The grant and peer-review system of contemporary science which helps the science locally is changing it into social collapsar filled by boson condensate, which is separated from the rest of society.

The problem is, the scientists cannot detect such evolution well - it can be perceived just by people, who are staying outside of science. From inside perspective the science remains pretty self-consistent environment with no conceptual problems at all. We can met with such behavior at the case of gravitational lensing, which appears to fit the Lorentz invariance perfectly from local perspective - although it violates it apparently from the global perspective. But the observer inside of gravitational lens cannot detect it, being curved together with the space-time, in which (s)he resides.

The memo is, every law or paradigm, which helps the system in evolution locally is violated at the large scale, so it exhibits an opposite effect here. From very global perspective is changes a system into foam, where its role is changing from place to place randomly. Here's no reason not to consider, even the AWT paradigm itself has its own limits, but its violation cannot be detected at the scope of AWT, but from perspective of even more general theory.

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#27448 - 08/04/08 09:05 PM Re: Conservative character of contemporary science [Re: Zephir]
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Interdisciplinary trap - Should people transgress the boundaries? The correspondence principle requires to do so. Motl's stance has a deep meaning in AWT. Formally thinking scientists aren't often willing to learn from fuzzy connections of reality in the hope, only complex formal theories are necessary for description of reality. But the AWT demonstrates clearly, the fuzziness and interdisciplinary approach has a still deep meaning for deeper understanding of reality, because it can show us the way, by which the more exact models can be developed later. The strategic thinking requires to consider more alternatives at the single moment, then the isolated formal and poorly conditioned models can comprehend. In addition, the interdisciplinary analogies can help us to understand the complex connections easier and from more perspectives. This text was attempted to post at Motl's blog, too.

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#27459 - 08/05/08 07:17 AM Re: Conservative character of contemporary science [Re: Zephir]
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Surely there can be only one common source for all energies that we experience , it's becoming clear that we cannot manufacture any energies out side of those energies extracted from the Vacuum of space.
The entire energy reserves within the universe reside in a potential form ready to be extracted on demand.
There is no other method that could contain such infinite quantities of energy, and still present the universe and all that we see in it.
The casimir effect is a classic example of constantly interfacing with the vacuum of space, extraction of energy directly and simply.
It is futile to attempt to analyse the vacuum of space, we should concentrate on developing devices that efficiently extract our energy needs, as the Sun extracts it's coronal energies.

Brian

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#27465 - 08/05/08 01:23 PM Re: Conservative character of contemporary science [Re: Anonymous]
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The Aether is very hot and dense, but it's energy cannot be isolated without density gradient. Try to imagine, we are living inside of hot and dense star. At the moment, everything around us is of the same temperatures, here's no way, how to excerpt such energy.

But here's a substantial energy density contained in common matter. Such energy can be released in strong gravitational field, for example by adding of stranglet during LHC experiments, but AWT proposes another ways, how to achieve the slow evaporation of matter into radiation, analogous to famous " drinking bird" toy.

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#27687 - 09/07/08 04:40 AM How the AWT affects expert's thinking in "quiet".. [Re: Zephir]
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Before two years a former Harvard professor Lubos Motl well known in blogosphere was firmly convinced proponent of anti-aether lobby - but now he's promoting an Aether concept openly, albeit he's working in physics for years and he censored it in his blog comments obstinatelly. This example just demonstrates clearly, how scrambled many people (even these most physically "qualified" ones..) can be concerning the trivial Aether concept.




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#27730 - 09/14/08 10:08 AM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: Zephir]
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In other words, your AWT is bunkum.

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#27746 - 09/14/08 08:32 PM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: zorro1]
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Why? That's the question.

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#27766 - 09/16/08 10:34 AM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: Zephir]
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You know why :

-no math, ergo no falsifiable predictions

-no falsifiable predictions, ergo bunkum

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#27779 - 09/17/08 02:04 PM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: zorro1]
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Originally Posted By: zorro1
..no math, ergo no falsifiable predictions..
Does it mean, heliocentric model or Darwin's theory has no testable predictions without math (Jupiter & Venus phase order, shape of Lunar crater shadows, the order of fossils records, genetic trees etc.). The predicate logic is part of math as well and here's a lotta things, which can be falsified without computing and measurement.



And vice-versa: did pile of math help the string theory to some testable predictions over the last forty years?

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#27784 - 09/17/08 10:08 PM Re: Aether Wave Theory [Re: Zephir]
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You PRETEND that your theory is physics, so it has to have math.
So your theory is NOT physics, it is bunkum. eek

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