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Everything continually changes but that's not time. Time ticks me off. It doesn't exist. It's just handy for experiments and meetings and everything.

If there is no Absolute Origin then do you care for the Time?

Time is an illusion. You've been told this but I will explain it. your brain works in points of conscience, like a frame-rate for a movie. (this is determined by the speed at which your brain processes input) The brain is also aware of these points of conscious and can compare it to the input. this is why we have a sence of time.

A common question relevant to time is; "why doesn't time just suddenly go the other way and make everything that happens unhappen (and visa-versa.) The answer is, every particle is following a set of rules and everything is a product of these rules. your brain witnesses this as input and creates a sense of time. In truth, time doesn't exist, only particles following rules do.

(The stuff about conscience points is not scientifically proven but is a very well thought out theory of mine.)

Time is inextricably linked with the increase of entropy. We are macro-scopic (the realm where this increase of entropy becomes apparent).

Therefore time is not an illusion, and it certainly does exist objectively - there is a definable physical quantity that increases with the forward direction of time, and would decrease if time was somehow reversed.

Perhaps time IS reversing, and then going forwards again. And we don't realise because things just re-happen. Like rewinding a film and playing it again.

We have discovered that there is no Absolute Origin of Time there is an inherent limitations to the level we can agree upon the correct time...
These limitations are due to two reasons:
1.Qunatum Fluctuations.(Can not be synchronized as probability comes in to picture and the measuring scenario results in a non standard equipment making the whole world containing multiple realities or standards...)
2.Locations on the Geodesic.(can be synchronized clasically)

So,What is Time ?

Information - > Information Entropy ->Entropy-> Time

Thus Moving Back In Time(locally) = Loss of Information

Where this happens? Any guesses.

Could time be directly related to movement, if there is no movement there is no time? Everything in the universe moves but at different velocities relative to everything else so time is different for everything.
This leads me to a conclusion that before the universe came into existence there was no movement, no motion, no velocity. No time.
If this is the way time works then it would explain why there could never be backward time travel. Even if we walk backwards, time still goes forward because there is motion. And if the universe started collapsing in on itself, like some believe it could, time wouldn't reverse because there would still be motion. It's impossible to have "minus NO motion" happening - therefore it's impossible to go backwards in time.

Time is the human measurement of past present and future divided into seconds, minutes and hours days weeks years decades centuries milleniums ages and eons as the main elements. However this is only the human perspective. There are different aspects of time, the bible records that God measures time differently. However time is real factor, how we measure it is our understanding or appreciation of it. Time travel is a real probability yet to be discovered as soon as scientists realize that Einstein made a mistake in his formulae concerning time travel. He failed to provide the answer for the real way to time travel. This is missing from his formulae. In his formulae time travel is not possible because of the speed you would be travelling. However if he had thought a little harder he would have realized that he was on the right path but neglected two important factors. It is possible to move at the speed of light and yet be stationary. I hope this answers your question.

Frankly I was avioding its detailed discussion for some reasons I can not tell you... just as it will be too revolutionary for everyone to digest.
Primarly it is related to Quantization of Time.
There exists a formula to Qunatized Time and its related Measurement(It is not necessarily Plankanian) .And second is the relation between Consciounsness and Time.Information in its most Binarical Form was considered a good approximation by me therefore I gave that explantion.Forget what I said.
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Could time be directly related to movement, if there is no movement there is no time?
REP: There is no movement.Absoltely No movement.
NOtice the word ABSOLUTELY. Relatively Yes.
Relative Movement is thus Time.Relative Measurements can only be carried out inside Time Dimension and not outside. Thus I explained in the best possible way what is TIME.
May God Bless You.
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This leads me to a conclusion that before the universe came into existence there was no movement, no motion, no velocity. No time.
RE: No TIme for exotica living outside my Time Dimension.In Balck HOle the Time Dimension is different that ours.
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If this is the way time works then it would explain why there could never be backward time travel.
REP: Enough of Absoulte Backwardness.I told you time comes out as a result of Relative Motion.
Now you as a observer can only see of feel Relative Motion. Thus when you go back in time there is no Relative Motion infact the Backward Universe is Not Symmetrical to Our Universe.
The BACKWARD UNIVERSE HAS ONLY ONE PARTICLE ...
May God Bless You for Hearing me.
I cry.

what do you guys think of my formula for time?
Time = Present + (0.0recurring1 * infinity)

What about past and future in your formulae, what about movement, the movement of the universe is an element of time. Note, most of everything especially black holes move in a circular motion. Time on earth is measured by the turning on its axis. If the earth had not been turning and orbiting the sun at the same time, would our perspective of time be the same. So your formulae is ofcourse wrong, would you like me to correct it for you?

what do you guys think of my formula for time?
Time = Present + (0.0recurring1 * infinity)

ROB: Time is Dimension.. and if you want to express it as formula please wait .. as we you grow with our discussion.Go thorugh all the concepts discussed by Great Scientists ... dont miss Einstein , Feynman and Stephan Hawking.
Heisenberg had said a truth too heavy for his time and I dont think you should understand it the way he told..
Go through some of threads on MEasurement as well.

Wish you good luck.

Did time begin with the Big Bang?
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Did time begin with the Big Bang?
No.
The 3-D Spatial Location of Big Bang is not known.
It took palce in one of those so called Closed Dimensions.Some say it was the 11th Dimension.
That makes the number 11 very special.

The question what is time has generated many ideas and quotes, all of which are both entertaining and informative. There is a human element that I think was not adequately covered. I guess you could say there is real time and theoretical time. From my standpoint theoretical time deals with the scientific study of natural phenomenon where in altered time, as opposed to real time, is used to explain or try to explain some observed or tested happening.

Real time is what we live by. We are an Earth focused species that wants to interpret almost all circumstances in terms of Earth factors. Pick up an average book on astronomy and you will find almost all references in terms of Earth relation ships. Every planet has so many Earth days ? not rotations. Mass is shown as Earth =1 and then how the rest equate, like Jupiter is 317 times us.
My point is that if time was a stand alone fact Earth relationships are not at all meaning full in real time for what is going on in space. On planet Earth we live so many years composed of 365 days because it takes us that long to make a trip around the sun. If you lived on Mars it would take about 668 Earth days for the same trip, does that mean that time is traveling slower on Mars and we would live more days there in the same number of years or possibly would it mean more years? Time is an important measure only so long as it is not flexible. When we measure time it must relate to something specific. I will cut this short but it is important not to let clever or important theories, as yet evolving, influence your concept of when you must be at work tomorrow. For me time is a measure that we created to tell today from yesterday- never to be repeated, or duplicated in the exact same way.
jw

The question what is time has generated many ideas and quotes, all of which are both entertaining and informative. There is a human element that I think was not adequately covered. I guess you could say there is real time and theoretical time. From my standpoint theoretical time deals with the scientific study of natural phenomenon where in altered time, as opposed to real time, is used to explain or try to explain some observed or tested happening.
Real time is what we live by. We are an Earth focused species that wants to interpret almost all circumstances in terms of Earth factors.
REP: I dont want to give any privelge to any living species of Life.
Therefore such distinction is not required my theory.
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Pick up an average book on astronomy and you will find almost all references in terms of Earth relation ships. Every planet has so many Earth days ? not rotations. Mass is shown as Earth =1 and then how the rest equate, like Jupiter is 317 times us.
My point is that if time was a stand alone fact Earth relationships are not at all meaning full in real time for what is going on in space. On planet Earth we live so many years composed of 365 days because it takes us that long to make a trip around the sun. If you lived on Mars it would take about 668 Earth days for the same trip, does that mean that time is traveling slower on Mars and we would live more days there in the same number of years or possibly would it mean more years?
REP: No.You can always standardize such simple cases. However please note that even after standarization there will always be relative difference in the measurement due to the finite speed of Information Spread.Making the inprinciple Clock Syncronization a false understanding of the nature of Time.
In short things are relative but to what extent is determined by Eintein's equation only(with subsequent corrections).
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Time is an important measure only so long as it is not flexible. When we measure time it must relate to something specific.
REP:"Specific" word sounds to me like an attempt to make an Absolute measurement.
Specific to me can be different from your specific.Time is not only an import measure but it is the foundation of Dimensional Growth.
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I will cut this short but it is important not to let clever or important theories, as yet evolving, influence your concept of when you must be at work tomorrow. For me time is a measure that we created to tell today from yesterday- never to be repeated, or duplicated in the exact same way.
REP: Time is a consequence of relative understanding or measure.
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http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/051028_brain_time.html

"I would argue that time is more fundamental than space, because one can just close one's eyes and relive memories, going back in time, or prospectively go forward in time to predict something, without actually changing your position in space." -Duke neuroscientist Warren Meck

Circadian Clock: The most important rhythm in chronobiology is the circadian rhythm, which refers to an approximate 24-hour daily biological cycle; however, many other important cycles are also studied, including:

Infradian rhythms, which are long-term cycles, such as the annual migration or reproduction cycles found in certain animals or the human menstrual cycle.
Ultradian rhythms, which are short cycles, such as the 90-minute REM cycle in sleep or the 3 hour cycle of growth hormone production. They have periods of less than 24 hours.
Tidal rhythms, commonly observed in marine life, which follow the (roughly) 12-hour transition from high to low tide and back. -Wikipedia

http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.t...mp;filetype=pdf

"The mammalian circadian clock resides in neurons in the hypothalamic suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN). Our results suggest dynamic chromatin remodeling in the SCN occurs in response to a physiological stimulus in vivo".

Others believe time can be manipulated: http://www.timetravelfund.com/

"On planet Earth we live so many years composed of 365 days because it takes us that long to make a trip around the sun. If you lived on Mars it would take about 668 Earth days for the same trip, does that mean that time is traveling slower on Mars and we would live more days there in the same number of years or possibly would it mean more years?"
-jjw004
Could you kindly explain this in more detail?

My take, do the best you can with the time you are given.

Sincerely,

Mung quotes:

?On planet Earth we live so many years composed of 365 days because it takes us that long to make a trip around the sun. If you lived on Mars it would take about 668 Earth days for the same trip, does that mean that time is traveling slower on Mars and we would live more days there in the same number of years or possibly would it mean more years?"
-jjw004

Mung asks, ?Could you kindly explain this in more detail??

JW Rep: I am not sure what there is to explain. Suppose you were born on Mars instead of Earth. Your year would be about 686.95 sidereal days or you could say 686.95 Earth days that would mean nothing to you on Mars because your actual rotations (days) would be about 669.62. Also your day would not have 86,400 seconds because you rotate slower than the Earth giving you about 88,642 seconds in each day. When you grew up you would use a time schedule that made sense for Mars and you would not give a damn about Earth time. My reference to this circumstance was meant to emphasize how our time is invented relative to the Earth. If we live an average of 72 Earth years and lived 72 years on Mars we would (669.62/365.25) be living 1.83 times as long on Mars in the same number of years. I suppose I wanted to stress how focused we are on the Earth as if it was the center of everything. There is still the far out possibility that Earth time frames do not properly apply everywhere. Another example is that Pluto takes about 248 earth years to make one revolution around the Sun. By Earth standards we would not live more than a third of a revolution of Pluto. If organic aging is fixed to earth dwellers we can speculate it may be different elsewhere.
This helps?
jjw

Time is not Organic or In-Organic.
Time is a Standard Measure defined by measuring intrument Clock.(Note that what is measured inside is anything with regularly periodicity giveing a sense of time)
For other Dimensions it is not so,unless we are looking at the crystal.
Therefore Time is always periodic it its manifestaion(eye based,feel based or heart based). Space is not required to be periodic ..Therefore a dual nature(organic-inorganic) is confined to Spatial Manifestation... There is always a possibility of findind a common Measuring Instrument.
However Qunatum Physics puts a limit on this ability and that all it does.
Therefore the relative measurement is relative only by the sense of relativity defined by Mr.Einstein and Quantum Physics .. nothing more .. nothing less (it hardly matter whether it was a 100 m race or 1000m race.We know which instrument to look at to realize how much time has passed)

How about this: at classical level, time is just a direct consequence of dynamics (motion).If there is no motion, there is no time. Perfect equilibrium means time hasno meaning. Non-equilibrium means gives time a meaning.

Leave neuroscientists alone on this one and think about the above.