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You wrote:
"but let us please keep in mind that mathematical representations are metaphorical."

What makes you so sure that this is true? On what basis do you conclude that this entire entity we refer to as "the universe" isn't constructed, as a fractal, from zeros and ones?

One thing history has taught us about the common man is that he is almost always wrong.

Hi dkv, Thanks for the kind word. The poem's point was in accord with the Voice's, "Lynd never said that there is no such thing as time. What he says is that it isn't existential..."

Quantization of time may merely be a convenience; convenience related to the fundamentals of day to day life, to physical barriers or levels of understanding, and perhaps, ultimately, related to a fundamental iterative; that being the rate at which light/life is 'clocked' from Now! to Now! across the cosmic background ~regards

Quantization is not for convenience.. it is required and no other possibility has been found to explian the observation.And I think it has been proved also.
In my opinion we have not fully understood time ...We havent discovered all the properties of time...
Let me ask you a more fundamental question ...
What is Dimension?

The documentairy " Killing time " is worth to watch in this aspect. John Barbour explains why time doesn't exist in the lineair form we think it has. Click lin video here http://noorderlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2380593/ , the narrator is Dutch, but most is English ...

Also the paper from Peter Lynds is at the moment in the eye of scientist : http://www.peterlynds.net.nz/ ...
the paper "Time and Classical and Quantum Mechanics: Indeterminacy vs. Discontinuityis" is here http://peterlynds.net.nz/papers.html

I think time is a wave that controls the speed at which everything operates.

What is Wave?

The only thing we can state with any sense that we are correct is that time relates to an increase in entropy. Beyond that all comment is pure speculation.

Even the question of whether time is a fundamental property of the universe or is derived is uncertain.

My recommendation: Pick up a copy of Brian Green's "The Fabric of the Cosmos".

Isn't it beautiful how before the invention of the "mechanical" clock and its obscuration of larger scale motion in favor of "turning" rather than "moving", of "feeding" us the time rather than having us "grow-our-own", isn't it beautiful how before all that, we used to coordinate our interactions so consciously with motion? (I'll meet you when that star moves over there, I'll find you when all these sands have finished moving from here to here).


So does time move forward or does it circle back over itself? Will we ever be able to definitively agree, even scientifically, on a definition which will allow only one of these?

Restate your question:

"So does entropy move in one direction or does it sometimes spontaneously decrease?

The answer should be clear.

Everything continually changes but that's not time. Time ticks me off. It doesn't exist. It's just handy for experiments and meetings and everything.

If there is no Absolute Origin then do you care for the Time?

Time is an illusion. You've been told this but I will explain it. your brain works in points of conscience, like a frame-rate for a movie. (this is determined by the speed at which your brain processes input) The brain is also aware of these points of conscious and can compare it to the input. this is why we have a sence of time.

A common question relevant to time is; "why doesn't time just suddenly go the other way and make everything that happens unhappen (and visa-versa.) The answer is, every particle is following a set of rules and everything is a product of these rules. your brain witnesses this as input and creates a sense of time. In truth, time doesn't exist, only particles following rules do.

(The stuff about conscience points is not scientifically proven but is a very well thought out theory of mine.)

Time is inextricably linked with the increase of entropy. We are macro-scopic (the realm where this increase of entropy becomes apparent).

Therefore time is not an illusion, and it certainly does exist objectively - there is a definable physical quantity that increases with the forward direction of time, and would decrease if time was somehow reversed.

Perhaps time IS reversing, and then going forwards again. And we don't realise because things just re-happen. Like rewinding a film and playing it again.

We have discovered that there is no Absolute Origin of Time there is an inherent limitations to the level we can agree upon the correct time...
These limitations are due to two reasons:
1.Qunatum Fluctuations.(Can not be synchronized as probability comes in to picture and the measuring scenario results in a non standard equipment making the whole world containing multiple realities or standards...)
2.Locations on the Geodesic.(can be synchronized clasically)

So,What is Time ?

Information - > Information Entropy ->Entropy-> Time

Thus Moving Back In Time(locally) = Loss of Information

Where this happens? Any guesses.

Could time be directly related to movement, if there is no movement there is no time? Everything in the universe moves but at different velocities relative to everything else so time is different for everything.
This leads me to a conclusion that before the universe came into existence there was no movement, no motion, no velocity. No time.
If this is the way time works then it would explain why there could never be backward time travel. Even if we walk backwards, time still goes forward because there is motion. And if the universe started collapsing in on itself, like some believe it could, time wouldn't reverse because there would still be motion. It's impossible to have "minus NO motion" happening - therefore it's impossible to go backwards in time.

Time is the human measurement of past present and future divided into seconds, minutes and hours days weeks years decades centuries milleniums ages and eons as the main elements. However this is only the human perspective. There are different aspects of time, the bible records that God measures time differently. However time is real factor, how we measure it is our understanding or appreciation of it. Time travel is a real probability yet to be discovered as soon as scientists realize that Einstein made a mistake in his formulae concerning time travel. He failed to provide the answer for the real way to time travel. This is missing from his formulae. In his formulae time travel is not possible because of the speed you would be travelling. However if he had thought a little harder he would have realized that he was on the right path but neglected two important factors. It is possible to move at the speed of light and yet be stationary. I hope this answers your question.

Frankly I was avioding its detailed discussion for some reasons I can not tell you... just as it will be too revolutionary for everyone to digest.
Primarly it is related to Quantization of Time.
There exists a formula to Qunatized Time and its related Measurement(It is not necessarily Plankanian) .And second is the relation between Consciounsness and Time.Information in its most Binarical Form was considered a good approximation by me therefore I gave that explantion.Forget what I said.
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Could time be directly related to movement, if there is no movement there is no time?
REP: There is no movement.Absoltely No movement.
NOtice the word ABSOLUTELY. Relatively Yes.
Relative Movement is thus Time.Relative Measurements can only be carried out inside Time Dimension and not outside. Thus I explained in the best possible way what is TIME.
May God Bless You.
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This leads me to a conclusion that before the universe came into existence there was no movement, no motion, no velocity. No time.
RE: No TIme for exotica living outside my Time Dimension.In Balck HOle the Time Dimension is different that ours.
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If this is the way time works then it would explain why there could never be backward time travel.
REP: Enough of Absoulte Backwardness.I told you time comes out as a result of Relative Motion.
Now you as a observer can only see of feel Relative Motion. Thus when you go back in time there is no Relative Motion infact the Backward Universe is Not Symmetrical to Our Universe.
The BACKWARD UNIVERSE HAS ONLY ONE PARTICLE ...
May God Bless You for Hearing me.
I cry.

what do you guys think of my formula for time?
Time = Present + (0.0recurring1 * infinity)

What about past and future in your formulae, what about movement, the movement of the universe is an element of time. Note, most of everything especially black holes move in a circular motion. Time on earth is measured by the turning on its axis. If the earth had not been turning and orbiting the sun at the same time, would our perspective of time be the same. So your formulae is ofcourse wrong, would you like me to correct it for you?