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Posted By: paul Florida at 18 feet sea level rise - 03/30/06 05:31 PM
not counting any effects from slowing rotation
which would cause less sea water buldge around the equator that in turn would cause an even higher
sea level rise where the sea meets florida.

if you look closely you can see where this has happened before.

there are what looks to be several old shore lines that reach down into florida.

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/dgesl/researc...slr_usafl_a.htm

I wonder where all the people will go.
the white places indicate population levels.
Posted By: DA Morgan Re: Florida at 18 feet sea level rise - 03/30/06 05:50 PM
Nice graphical presentation.

Arizona beachfront for those with means.

No one cares about the rest.

What would be equally interesting is the change in the natural range of malaria at each stage.
Posted By: soilguy Re: Florida at 18 feet sea level rise - 03/30/06 06:00 PM
My old geomorphology professor once told me that there is no evidence that sea level was ever higher than it is today ("today" being a day back in 1980). The old shorelines and beach ridges that you can see on aerial photos and satelite images on the southeast coasts are high and dry now due to uplift.
Posted By: DA Morgan Re: Florida at 18 feet sea level rise - 03/31/06 05:05 AM
I'd be inclined to look at it in a slightly different way. Given that we know there have been times when Greenland and Antarctica were essentially ice free ... the water went somewhere.

But your prof was likely correct too.
Posted By: soilguy Re: Florida at 18 feet sea level rise - 03/31/06 07:54 PM
The key word is "evidence." The further back in time we go, the less we have. Not only that, but what can be said about sea level before Pangaea broke up, for example? Could we relate it to present sea levels in any meaningful way?
Posted By: DA Morgan Re: Florida at 18 feet sea level rise - 03/31/06 11:07 PM
Probably not. But as I said ... we know the ice wasn't there and the water was somewhere.

And we know, perfectly well, where the shoreline will be if the ice melts again.

How about some beachfront property in Arizona?
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Florida at 18 feet sea level rise - 04/01/06 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by DA Morgan:
Nice graphical presentation.

Arizona beachfront for those with means.

No one cares about the rest.

What would be equally interesting is the change in the natural range of malaria at each stage.
I hate to break it to you, Dan, but there is very little Malaria in the southern US.

""Malaria kills around 1 million people every year worldwide. Malaria is caused by the parasite Plasmodium which is transferred to people by mosquitoes. The parasite enters the salivary glands of the mosquito where it is then injected into the next host.
This disease is a major problem in the countries of Africa, Central & South America, Asia and the Indonesian Islands. Symptoms include fever, shivering, headache, joint pain and vomiting. Severe cases progress to convulsions, coma and even death.

Local transmission of malaria occurred in northern Virginia in August of 2002. There were 2 cases, one a 19 year old and the other a 15 year old. There both were diagnosed and confirmed with malaria. Both people have fully recovered after the malaria was identified and treated for. Both patients had not been exposed through international travel, blood transfusion, organ transplant or needle sharing. They did live 1/2 mile from each other and less then 10 miles from Washington Dulles International Airport. Mosquito testing identified Anopheles quadrimaculatus and Anopheles punctipennis as positive with the same strain of P.vivax as the patients Finding a positive pool of mosquitoes in the midst of active cases is very unusual. Anopheles mosquitoes must be infected with the P.vivax parasite between 1-2 weeks before being able to infect other people. Yet only have a life span of about 4 weeks. This only allows a small window to trap positive mosquitoes.

In 2003, Palm Beach County Florida recorded 7 cases of locally acquired malaria. All were the same strain of P.vivax and are thought to originate from the same single source. All patients were men with a mean age of 35 and all engaged in outdoor activities and live within 10 miles of the Palm Beach International Airport. Mosquitoes trapped in that area were all negative for the parasite. "

http://www.cabarrushealth.org/programs/environmentalhealth/mosquito/wnv.htm

Sounds like the vicinity to the airport had something to do with the cases of Malaria. Maybe the infected mosquitoes came in by airplane?
Posted By: DA Morgan Re: Florida at 18 feet sea level rise - 04/01/06 03:14 AM
Amaranth Rose wrote:
"I hate to break it to you, Dan, but there is very little Malaria in the southern US."

I hate to break it to you Rose ... but while there is "very little" today there may well be lot in the future. Here's a little information from the CDC.

U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed a bill that created the TVA on May 18, 1933. The law gave the federal government a centralized body to control the Tennessee river's potential for hydroelectric power and improve the land and waterways for development of the region. An organized and effective malaria control program stemmed from this new authority in the Tennessee River valley. Malaria affected 30 percent of the population in the region when the TVA was incorporated in 1933. The Public Health Service played a vital role in the research and control operations and by 1947, the disease was essentially eliminated. Mosquito breeding sites were reduced by controlling water levels and insecticide.

Source:
http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/history/index.htm#usphs

And now about the future:

The World Health Organization estimates that the spread of mosquitoes in a warmer, wetter world will cause malaria and dengue fever to explode. The deaths won't come all at the same time, and they won't involve people who look like Dennis Quaid, but they'll be plenty real.

Source:
http://www.epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=221183

And while there is certainly lots of arguments on both sides of this ... there is certainly good reason for concern.
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