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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubl4tYuoygo&feature=player_embedded http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/b...ied-foods-gmos/ FDA scientists were questioned about the potential health hazards genetically modified (GM) foods would have. Previously secret documents attained by the Alliance for Bio-Integrity’s 1998 lawsuit reveal that our food experts were very concerned that GM foods carried “serious health hazards.” They unofficially concluded that GM foods lead to “different risks” for consumers than untreated foods. However, official the official policy came to the opposite conclusion, and even went on to claim that there were no significant differences. This ruling allowed for the companies producing GM foods to release their products to market without official testing. These advances for GM foods through the FDA were headlined by Michael Taylor- whose previous employment was a Monsanto attorney. In July of this year, Obama appointed Taylor as America’s food safety czar.There is a general concensus that the recent rise in some chronic illnesses - such as asthma, autism, diabetes, allergies, and accellerated aging - seems to correlate with the consumption of GM foods. The American Academy of Environmental Medicine conducted animal studies that found similiar results. Dr. P. M. Bhargava reviewed 600 scientific journals and concluded the same. Eight international experts looked over the evaluations of GM food safety by private GM companies and created a report detailing how these companies have “systematically overlook[ed] the side effects,” and underestimated “the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others.” We aren’t given the chance to be represented by a group of publicly elected officials on a matter that effects the whole nation. That being the case, we must take the responsibility to alert our peers of the potential health hazards of GM foods. Without consumers, major GM companies like a Monsanto won’t have the means to wend their products into the general populace’s homes.read about the future of Monsanto http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:MON
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Germany is to ban the Cultivation and Sale of genetically modified (GMO) Maize The ban affects U.S. biotech company Monsanto's MON 810 maize which may no longer be sown for this summer's harvest, Aigner told a news conference. MON 810 maize is the only GM crop currently approved by the EU for commercial use. "I have come to the conclusion that there is a justifiable reason to believe that genetically modified maize of the type MON 810 presents a danger to the environment," Aigner said. Monsanto declined immediate comment. http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE53D2CV20090414?sp=trueOther related items found are as follows:- The possibility for naked or free DNA to be taken up by mammalian cells is explicitly mentioned in the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) draft guidance to industry on antibiotic resistance marker genes. In commenting on the FDA's document, the UK MAFF pointed out that transgenic DNA may be transferred not just by ingestion, but by contact with plant dust and air-borne pollen during farm work and food processing. This warning is all the more significant with the recent report from Jena University in Germany that field experiments indicated GM genes may have transferred via GM pollen to the bacteria and yeasts in the gut of bee larvae. ************ Genetically-modified food has been banned from restaurants and bars in the UK House of Commons. Full-time catering managers have decided to avoid using genetically-modified (GM) food - developed from crops given genes from other species - until more is known about the long-term effects. The ban has led to accusations of double standards since the government is still issuing licences for GM crop tests. Some MPs have complained that they were not consulted about the decision. In a recent parliamentary answer, Dennis Turner, the Labour MP who chairs the Commons catering committee, revealed managers had decided wherever possible they would avoid using GM food.
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yea .. back then on sep 11 09 the stock price was
78.03 today its 56.83 and it has a 36.91% stock price
drop since may 13 09.
back when they were pattenting pigs !!!
and forcing pig farmers to go out of buisness
by saying the farmers pigs had the monsanto gene
in them or something like that.
I think they have sold off their interest in the pig
gene buisness to another less public company , possibly
to remove some of the heat generated by their actions.
you would think that they would stop doing things that
people are so woried about , wouldnt you.
Im glad that Germany has decided to not allow GM crops
to be planted , they are pretty smart smart folks over there.
and as far as the stock price is concerned , if you own stocks in a corporation , and a major change is in question
they actually send you a ballot to vote with !!!
I think you have 1 vote for every share you own.
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There is a general concensus that the recent rise in some chronic illnesses - such as asthma, autism, diabetes, allergies, and accellerated aging - seems to correlate with the consumption of GM foods. The American
They also correlate with consumption of natural foods. The only difference with GM is it hasn't been being eaten for hundreds of years to see the effects. But also we haven't had hundreds of years of longitudinal studies on the long term effects of many natural foods either, so they're just as dangerous. Kiwifruit allergies in children Coffee Sugar Red meat causes bowel cancer
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I feel sure we've been rapidly evolving new digestive capabilities (and problems) as our diet has changed often throughout the last few millennia, but GMO foods are a lot more recent than those "chronic" maladies that are mentioned. Many of the genes associated with things like diabetes and autism are linked with digestive genes, which might explain the associations....
But I think there are plenty of other reasons to avoid the "patented" GMO products. I don't worry about what they might do to people, but about what they do change in the the web of life and the biosphere in general.
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People always worry about bad things without worrying about the lack of good things. Surely GM crops that don't require pesticides have to have some positive effects on health and the environment.
We always have to take a risk with any change. There will always be downsides. But imagine a world without the discovery of America. After all it was a foolishly dangerous thing to do, what with spread of disease, or exposure to foods that foreign people aren't equipped to eat safely.
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People always worry about bad things without worrying about the lack of good things. Surely GM crops that don't require pesticides have to have some positive effects on health and the environment.
We always have to take a risk with any change. There will always be downsides. But imagine a world without the discovery of America. .............>
[Quote=Mike Kremer] In answer to kallog ...People always worry about the bad things first, because its the bad things that hurt them. Certainly ...originally GM crops did not require pesticides. Then the farmer was more than willing to pay the extra money for the GM Seeds, plant them and reap the additional profit that accrued thru non ploughing and weeding etc. The third world could not afford them...... UNTIL the third world land owners said:- "Plant this expensive GM seed, America will pay us to grow it" !!! And so the poor third world famers words came true. His GM crop was loaded onto intercontinetal flights every day, going to the USA, where it was sold for a higher prices than American grown crops. Unlike Europe, America can hardly refuse the importation of their own overseas grown GM Foods....Since the USA farmer and Monsanto were the developers. Talk about ....."Ye Shall Reap What You Shall Sow" ...How true. So now if Nature hits back at the farmer with superweeds that must not contaminate his Corn, Soya, Peas, Beans etc after all you do not want bits of weed in your frozen peas. And even worse you do not an invisible chemical like a super weedkiller contaminating your vegetables. No wonder people are starting to complain of .difficult to prove illnesses. The thing is just what do you do about it? Here in the UK and a number of EU countrys we are not allowed to grow GM......let alone sell it. If there is a possibility that some mixed food has a GM issue. For instance a Custard powder or a Cake mix It has to be clearly marked on the outside of the package.
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Congratulations on the UK's decission to not plant or sell
GM.
Has anybody ever succeded in growing out the GM in plants?
in other words if a farmer plants GM foods , will plants grow from the seeds that the GM foods produce?
and if so , how many seasons will it take to produce
fruits or vegetables from those GM seeds?
I tried to grow out tobacco seeds from commercial cigarette tobacco seeds that were from the 2009 planting season , they have been growing for 4 months and are almost
1/2 inch tall , this kind of gives an idea of what will
happen if war breaks out and farmers can no longer get the
GM seeds.
its a security risk for every nation , really ,,what would happen if the several GM seed manufacturing sites were
bombed?
no more food for the world?
we no longer are used to farming the old ways by saving
and planting seeds from the previous season.
and I have read that monsanto has its eye on organic seeds now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 I think the positive effects would be an enormous amount of food. and a enormous amount of medical facilities would follow to treat those who consume the food. remember they are not just making GM food because its easier to grow , they are also providing jobs for those in the medical professions.
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In answer to kallog ...People always worry about the bad
things first, because its the bad things that hurt them.
Yes, but people typically overestimate how badly they'll get hurt and forget how badly they're already getting hurt. We already have some absolutely huge and terrible problems in the world. But there isn't the same zeal to solve them as there is to prevent new problems. What happened to removing the plank from your eye before attempting to remove the speck from your neighbor's? If GM crops go bad we can always revert to normal ones. This is even easier with those non-reproducing ones. They can't spread in the wild. Sure it might upset farmers for a year when they have to buy some natural seeds. But it's a small price to pay for the possibility of solving world hunger!! Far better to have a go than sit back and watch millions starve to death again and again forever.
So now if Nature hits back at the farmer with superweeds that must not contaminate his Corn, Soya, Peas, Beans etc
There were already weeds there before that couldn't be fought without weedkillers - and wern't being fought. So what's new? Just back to square one. No loss, no gain, no problem. It's kind of analogous to antibiotics causing superbugs to appear. Sure it's scary, but no matter how many superbugs evolve, the worst that can happen is we get back to the state we were in before antibiotics were invented. So what? No loss, just a huge temporary gain. Too bad if it didn't work out, try something else.
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The possibility for naked or free DNA to be taken up by mammalian cells is explicitly mentioned in the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) draft guidance to industry on antibiotic resistance marker genes.
In commenting on the FDA's document, the UK MAFF pointed out that transgenic DNA may be transferred not just by ingestion, but by contact with plant dust and air-borne pollen during farm work and food processing.
Hide you children, close the doors, everyone to their panic rooms - the DNA is coming, the DNA is coming! The only thing the anti-GM movement does is highlight the ignorance of basic biology rampart in the general public, government and various special interest groups. Right now your bodies are full of foreign DNA - such as that from the bacteria in your gut, skin, and mucosa. >99% of the human population is chronically infected with viruses that continually replicate their DNA inside of our own cells. Eat some food - a few hours later its DNA is in your blood. Breath some air - you got all kinds of plant, bacterial and fungal DNA penetrating the lining of your lungs, being taken up by immune cells, and so forth. Heck, water, beer, wine, even good ol' soda pop has DNA floating around. DNA is one of the most ubiquitous biological substances on earth, finding (or making) a surface without DNA on it is a very difficult thing to do. And yes, foreign DNA enters your body and cells every damned day of the week. There are even M-cells in your gut whose sole purpose is to transport DNA, RNA, proteins, even intact bacterial cells into your body. Eat a steak, and a few hours later we can detect bovine proteins - and yes, even bovine DNA - circulating in your blood. Strangely enough, you are all fine. Evolution has forged both the mechanisms which take up this DNA, as well as the applications to which that DNA (and protein, RNA, lipids, etc) are used. DNA from GM foods is the same. Its DNA, no different than your DNA, or the foreign DNA that enters your body every second of every day. To think that it's magically more dangerous than DNA from any other source is naive at best. Heck, most of the transgenes used in GM foods are derived from organisms which are already part of the human food chain - we humans have been eating those DNA's for the better part of eternity... But forget the science, forget basic biology - GM foods are produced by evil multi-national corporations whose sole goal is to . . . well forget their motivations. Hide the fine china - the DNA is coming over for dinner  Bryan
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The possibility for naked or free DNA to be taken up by mammalian cells is explicitly mentioned in the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) draft guidance to industry on antibiotic resistance marker genes.
In commenting on the FDA's document, the UK MAFF pointed out that transgenic DNA may be transferred not just by ingestion, but by contact with plant dust and air-borne pollen during farm work and food processing.
Hide you children, close the doors, everyone to their panic rooms - the DNA is coming, the DNA is coming! The only thing the anti-GM movement does is highlight the ignorance of basic biology rampart in the general public, government and various special interest groups. Right now your bodies are full of foreign DNA - such as that from the bacteria in your gut, skin, and mucosa. >99% of the human population is chronically infected with viruses that continually replicate their DNA inside of our own cells. Eat some food - a few hours later its DNA is in your blood. Breath some air - you got all kinds of plant, bacterial and fungal DNA penetrating the lining of your lungs, being taken up by immune cells, and so forth. Heck, water, beer, wine, even good ol' soda pop has DNA floating around. DNA is one of the most ubiquitous biological substances on earth, finding (or making) a surface without DNA on it is a very difficult thing to do. And yes, foreign DNA enters your body and cells every damned day of the week. There are even M-cells in your gut whose sole purpose is to transport DNA, RNA, proteins, even intact bacterial cells into your body. Eat a steak, and a few hours later we can detect bovine proteins - and yes, even bovine DNA - circulating in your blood. Strangely enough, you are all fine. Evolution has forged both the mechanisms which take up this DNA, as well as the applications to which that DNA (and protein, RNA, lipids, etc) are used. DNA from GM foods is the same. Its DNA, no different than your DNA, or the foreign DNA that enters your body every second of every day. To think that it's magically more dangerous than DNA from any other source is naive at best. Heck, most of the transgenes used in GM foods are derived from organisms which are already part of the human food chain - we humans have been eating those DNA's for the better part of eternity... But forget the science, forget basic biology - GM foods are produced by evil multi-national corporations whose sole goal is to . . . well forget their motivations. Hide the fine china - the DNA is coming over for dinner Bryan Welcome to the pages of Scienceagogo, I notice that this is your first ever posting, or is it your second? Well anyway you just registered today so you are quick off the starting trap. Welcome to you, and the world of SAGG. I dont think we need to close the dinning room or kithen doors against foreign DNA, now or in the future.. Thousands of people are eating GM food, a few, very few state that it does not agree with them. The real problem stems from the escaping Transgenic modified DNA which is specifically tailored for plants, and for plants only. Pollen from transgenic DNA is carried in the wind, and by insects to ajoining field , and therefore other plants This can and does confir undesirable effects to many crops, grasses, and plants. Things like herbicide tolerance in a range of important food crops....Rice, Maize, Wheat, Soybeans, these are all major crops specificaly targeted to confer herbicide and weed resistance to them, so as to help the farmers increase yields. If accidental cross pollination starts to confer herbicide resistance everyday weeds and grasses to fields and then spreads thoughout a country and on throughout the World, it will cost the farmers dear. Instead of cheaper food, prices well go up all over the world, when crops have to be double and triple sprayed, to allow the mechanised production of the field to instantly be moved to the warehouses, and freezers of the world. There are a number of countrys who have started seed banks of all the different varietys of say wheats in the world. Or at least those that have not died out thru ploughing and planting of our modern varieties. Ater hundreds of thousands of years, a few scientists have realised that those weak and sickly ears of corn, although not worth eating or cultivating.......were found to be drought resistant, or salt tolerant. etc, etc. Careful pollination can confir the best attributes together in a plant family. Pollination was slow but at least it is natural, the way that Nature used for thousands of years. http://www.biotech-info.net/Canadian_scare.htmlhttp://www.biotech-info.net/mystery_DNA.htmlCancer Link? below http://www.biotech-info.net/glyphosate_cancer2.html
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The only thing the anti-GM movement does is highlight the ignorance of basic biology rampart in the general public, government and various special interest groups.
Well put. Most people don't have any critical thinking skills or knowledge of science. So they're like the desert wanderers 3000 years ago who just lapped up whatever exciting stories any smooth-talker told them.
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Welcome to the pages of Scienceagogo, I notice that this is your first ever posting, or is it your second?
I was writing 2 at once, so call it #1.5  I dont think we need to close the dinning room or kithen doors against foreign DNA, now or in the future..Thousands of people are eating GM food, a few, very few state that it does not agree with them.
The real problem stems from the escaping Transgenic modified DNA which is specifically tailored for plants, and for plants only.
Pollen from transgenic DNA is carried in the wind, and by insects to ajoining field , and therefore other plants This can and does confir undesirable effects to many crops, grasses, and plants. And if this were the claims of the post I replied to, there wouldn't have been much of a reply. The movement of transgenes into natural populations is a concern, but its also a manageable one. You'll notice the points I replied to were strictly imaginary problems like our bodies having foreign DNA in them. I simply pointed out the silliness of those statements. That link has nothing to do with GM crops, but rather a chemical herbicide. More recent evidence has supported that there is a weak link between glycophosphates and cancer, which is why many regions have banned them or limited their use: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18623080But still has nothing to do with GM crops in general, but rather a specific chemical. The logical thing to do is deal with the chemical, not the plants (GM or otherwise) it is used on. Bryan
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