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#8070 - 08/18/06 09:03 AM Re: Evolution
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Originally posted by DA Morgan:
Science, on the other hand, has nothing to sell. Doesn't threaten eternal damnation. Doesn't call other scientists heathens. And is mature and wise enough to say things such as: "Einstein was correct but we know there is a better theory."

What the religious zealots lack is integrity. The integrity to acknowledge that they don't have all of the answers.
Some of the "scientists" on this BB surely act like zealots when mainstream science is critisized. I am looking forward to the "maturity" in science you are talking about. It rarely manifests in practise. Instead of calling people "heathens", scientists have their own name for people they want to denigrade: "cranks".
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#8071 - 08/18/06 06:59 PM Re: Evolution
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You mean like people that call editors of peer reviewed journals idiots?

Yeah we are all-to-human.

At least we don't burn them at the stake.
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#8072 - 08/19/06 09:10 AM Re: Evolution
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You mean like people that call editors of peer reviewed journals idiots?

Yeah we are all-to-human.

At least we don't burn them at the stake.
I have not called all editors idiots. When a person acts like an idiot then there is no reason not to point it out to him/her. As you say "at least we do not burn them at the stake"; however, there are other means to inflict pain and these have become highly developed within the scientific community. The "system" needs an urgent overhaul. Judgments should be made on scientific content and not on the probability that a new idea is unlikely when it is not in line with previous Nobel Prizes.
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#8073 - 08/19/06 04:18 PM Re: Evolution
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Originally posted by DrBarr:

Please...I beg you...everyone, stop with the lame response "it takes a really long time". You all know this is an unacceptable response.
I guess its impossible to win in the lottery then, since I have never won ;-)
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DA Morgan, AIDS does not evolve, it adapts. Evolution necessitates speciation.
2 families of the same species "adapt" to a diffrent environments, they can become so diffrent from each other that they become diffrent species by definition, they become incapable of interbreeding. This takes time because the genes change randomly ( not always for the better)

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Furthermore, I just can't ignore the fact that several thousand generations of fruit flys have yet to produce a single advantageous mutation.
Its impossible to win in lotto ;-)

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#8074 - 08/19/06 09:16 PM Re: Evolution
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JB wrote:
"I have not called all editors idiots."

And I didn't say you did ... please don't misquote me. Go back and reread the sentence.

Hey I've never won the lottery so it must be impossible. Case and mind closed!
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#8075 - 08/20/06 03:19 AM Re: Evolution
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"Furthermore, I just can't ignore the fact that several thousand generations of fruit flys have yet to produce a single advantageous mutation."

That's not relevant even if it were possible to judge it clearly. What is true is that it has produced a new species of fruit fly, as per

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB910_1.html

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#8076 - 08/20/06 12:32 PM Re: Evolution
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Originally posted by larfor:

Agreed. So evolution is still just an unproven theory? Especially with the mystery of how an eye would evolve if the organism or animal had never seen light before, right? Or did light sensitive cells just happen with no known need?
All theories are unproven to a certain extent, but all good theories have a lot of experimental evidence to support them. Newton's theory of gravity is still just an unproven theory, but we can use it to send Astronauts to the moon.

Your questions are all good questions, but do you think we should simply answer them with "God did it" and leave it at that?

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#8077 - 08/21/06 04:45 AM Re: Evolution
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Twosheds, you've summed the whole thing up brilliantly. Let's hope we never find out how gravity works or someone will patent it and we'll have to pay a gravity acount. Imagine having your gravity cut off.

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#8078 - 08/21/06 11:32 AM Re: Evolution
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Originally posted by terrytnewzealand:
Twosheds, you've summed the whole thing up brilliantly. Let's hope we never find out how gravity works or someone will patent it and we'll have to pay a gravity acount. Imagine having your gravity cut off.
it would not be possible to turn off gravity on a planet or something, other wise the planet would come apart. on the other hand, understanding gravity would allow artificial gravity to be created and perhaps antigravity.
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#8079 - 08/22/06 01:50 AM Re: Evolution
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I'm sorry dehammer. It was a joke. We've had a long history in New Zealand of privatizing essential services. It hasn't always been to the advantage of the bulk of the people, just to the already wealthy.

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#8080 - 08/22/06 02:16 AM Re: Evolution
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joke read, understood...laughter

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#8081 - 08/22/06 02:47 AM Re: Evolution
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Terry in New Zealand:
You have to understand Der Hammer; when someone asks him how he's doin', his standard answer is that he is "functioning within normal parameters."

Incidentally, we're neighbors - I live in Samoa.

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#8082 - 08/23/06 07:34 AM Re: Evolution
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Great Wolfman. Western or American?

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#8083 - 08/23/06 04:11 PM Re: Evolution
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Heading for Australia and New Zealand in November if all goes according to plan.
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#8084 - 08/24/06 08:20 AM Re: Evolution
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DA Morgan, Get in touch. I'm not sure if we're allowed to leave private email addresses here. Let me know. I live way north of Auckland if it's possible for someone from a huge country to imagine it as being possible. I lived in australia for a while. Been to the Southern United States. Music you know. Sorry we're getting off the subject of evolution here.

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#8085 - 08/24/06 04:57 PM Re: Evolution
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click on "directory" (upper right)
click on "member number" (upper left)
scroll down to my name
click on "more"
click on the envelope
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#8086 - 08/24/06 08:04 PM Re: Evolution
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or just click on the envelope above one of his posts.
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#8087 - 08/30/06 07:55 PM Re: Evolution
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DA- I just got back from a week in the Fiji Islands; Dude, YOU CAN DIVE WITH SHARKS!! They have a feeding program where they (Grey Reef Sharks) come from all over. If you don't Scuba dive, they also have a set-up for Hookah diving. What an adrenaline rush! Try to fit it into your itinerary.

Evolution? Oh, yeah. Sharks have remained unchanged for millions of years.

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#8088 - 08/30/06 08:12 PM Re: Evolution
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I'm a diver and most recently swam with a Whale Shark off the coast of Belize. Well I swam. It effortlessly left me gasping for breath.

I may just come your way ... but not until 2007 at the earliest. My only remaining major travels this year are to the UK and/or Australia-New Zealand.

Be careful about feeding gray reef sharks ... they have been known to find divers rather tasty. ;-)
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#8089 - 08/30/06 10:11 PM Re: Evolution
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hmm, maybe we can send some bible thumpers for a little grey reef scuba adventure.
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