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G'day Blacknad,

Congrats on the change in car . There are really good economic and ecological reasons why SUVs are bad. The limit on supply of oil is one. SUVs are not safe or at least not as safe as sedans. They roll in high speed collisions more frequently and while they protect the occupants better against smaller cars or pedestrians they also kill or main those same other occupants or pedestrians.

Polution is not a good thing. Think of asthma. I could go on but you get the point.

So even if I do not agree with whether CO2 will cause Global Warming, I do agree that humans really can screw up the environment and lessen the impact or even making things better is a good thing.


Richard

G'day DA,

I do admire your passion in the face of vehement opposition and the almost complete lack of facts to back up your statements. But since when do you need facts when your position seems to be: ?When all else fails in an argument, insult those who do not agree with you?

I find amazing you use a quote that really is particularly good to argue the opposite to the quote. Actually I?d like anyone arguing about Global Warming to read the House of Lords report web page . This is one presentation heavy on facts and light on supposition. Instead of finding fault with one comment which really does have a great deal of support including by scientists that fully support Global Warming (again I refer you to your one reference ? the Goddard Institute ? for comments in respect to the accuracy of data) how?s about countering the main argument or the data presented in the paper.

Since when is a comment obviously wrong because the levies in New Orleans failed and some people stuck their head in the sand and said they were going to be all right ? which might have had something to do with the US disaster organisation being subsumed by Homeland Security and the very big risk of natural disasters and the budgets that go with it being shredded in order to fund the much smaller per capita risk of terrorist attacks.

Oh, and by the way there was considerable concern, including from the Army Corp of Engineers concerning the New Orleans levies for a long time before Katrina. I remember even seeing a news piece on CNN when Katrina was only just starting out that voiced concern that the extensive levy system in New Orleans would probably not take a direct hit by a hurricane.

A better analogy would have been in the issue that the concerns over the levies were ignored despite the fact that there was good evidence to support the concerns. But it is still a lousy analogy just the same.

And because it is so good I think the original quote is worth repeating:

"For the last 30 years, our data sets are so contaminated by personal interpretations and personal choices that it is almost impossible to sort up the mess in reliable and unreliable data."



Richard

ive said before and likely will again, when ppl are paid to find data that matches what the ppl paying them want others to believe, that data will be found. it does not matter if its pro global warming or anti.

during the early days of world war 2, a bunch of nazi simpathisers tried to prove that americans favoried nazi germany. when the straight forward data did not match, they manipulated it. the result showed that 99 percentage of americans wanted to be a nazi. these days no one would have believe that. at the time, it was all the goverment could do to bury it since they really could not discredit it.

all data can be manipulated the same way. for the last 30 years there has been a lot of money to prove that man is responsible for the global warming. there has been other money paid to prove cars and oil are not resposible. the end result is that we cant be sure what part of that data was distorted anymore.

something ive notice is that you have no problem with peir review publications.... as long as the peirs are all ppl that agree with you. all of the peir review magazines and sites you site are paid for and pushed by global warming advocates. let someone, anyone, site a anti global warming site and your all over it as being unreliable. yet if someone does that to your sites, you insult them as being too stupid to understand things.

Mr Morgan,

Insults are one thing. You expect such things in robust discussions where views differ. However, there is also a concept called defamation. While just what someone's education qualification happens to be is totally irrelevant to this forum, you asked the question relating to qualifications previously and I gave the courtesy of a reply.

On this occasion, the only explanation for your comment is to impune my reputation, in an effort to bolster your own opinion. Now that goes from a simple insult way over into the territory of defamation. Since by doing so you have not only put at risk yourself but also the owner of this forum, the moderator and even your employer should you have made the mistake of sending your post from a work computer, all I can suggest is you apologise and take a great deal more care when you decide to insult someone on this or any other public forum.

As to your comment, what evidence would you see? Did you make enquiries with all Universities in the world?

I would ask you to edit your message to remove the offending comment however the message would already be archived in search engines etc and has already been read. I suggest that perhaps you make an apology instead.


Richard

For general information:

A levy is a rate of taxation. The plural is levies.

A levee is a dike protecting a town. The plural is levees.

Let's keep the forum for more professional behavior than slanging insults. I can and will edit.

"Amaranth"

To: Richard ( RicS)

I totally agree with you that insulting someones level of institutional learning is not appropriate on this forum.

to continue, defamation of ones credibility on this forum is also un called for.

with these things I can agree.

Please keep in mind that Da Morgan has been a member of this forum since the middle 90's when I first started leaving my little bits and pieces of my mind and ideas on the web...

if I recall correctly Da Morgan is/was a "teacher" at a college/university or something.

and because of his occupation his critisism may be akin to a father who scolds his child when brought to anger because he thinks otherwise when his child says something that he thinks he shouldnt have.

remember teachers? they try to teach with whatever method they have available.

Im sure he meant no harm to you personally.
probably all you really are to him is typed words he sees on the computer monitor in front of him.

thats really all we are here (words).

and our words show other words what type of words we are.

This is a defamatory remark, and very insulting besides. Please try to refrain from making such comments in future, as it is very wearing to have to deal with them. An apology at minimum would seem to be in order.

Bear in mind that remarks posted here are the opinion of the poster and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the forum management.

That being said, please observe the following: Defamatory and inflammatory remarks will not be tolerated in this forum. Please keep to Science and Science related topics. Leave the personal remarks in the bit bucket. Stick to Science or you may face having your privilege to post here revoked. As our president should realize, no one is above the law.

"Amaranth"
Moderator

G'day Paul,

Thank you for your comments. They were appreciated. I am coming along with the post and have been deciding whether to actually include references somehow. I can certainly email to anyone the document with references if they were interested.

And words sometimes have considerable power. Witness the attacks on Mrs McCarthy in the British press in the last week or so with allegations that included she stared in a German porno film and that she was an expensive prostitute. He effectiveness as spokesperson on landmines, one of her projects, is seriously diminished by those words. That is why defamation laws do exist.

And I too have been a teacher, lecturing students. Some needling of students is just expected, especially if you can stop inattentive students from interupting those that want to learn with a pun or witty insult rather than a rant. Other comments made by teachers are simply not tolerated by the student or the campuses. Insults based on race, gender are good examples, because they have power to really hurt. So I do not accept the occupation of teacher as an excuse.

That is not to say that your comments were not taken in the spirit that they were made and again I appreciate you making them.


Richard

hes a instructor of a single computer languange of a college computer science program. that kind of thing might have been ok in the early 1900's along with spankings, switches, smashing fingers, etc. but they are not allowed anymore. they are never allowed in this kind of settings, nor is encouraging it.


yes, such as telling a child he cant dream, that he cant look outside of the box, and anything that is not up to the same cookie cutter stamp as everyone else would get punished with a ruler upside the hand or head.

then why is he here if he does not believe that there are real ppl with real feelings and why is he posting such insults, save to harm.

harming others for no more reason that he has, has no purpose other than to harm and prove that you are better than they because you can harm them. if he has been here as long as he has, he should know better. i have to wonder how many ppl he has chased out of the forum with his insults. i know of at least three.

i do have to say that you have earned some respect from me for standing with him.

To:DeHammer

I am sorry that you thought I was standing with DA Morgan, I wasnt.

I was not taking up for anyone, only trying to lessen the enmity between fellow members.

To RicS

thank you for your kind words.

maybe i should have said standing up for him, rather than with. the respect is still there.

Attention DA Morgan. You misunderstood my point when i said i cant see the evidence of any flooding, i am talking about the sea level rise in the north sea over the last 50 years has been minimal. Did you realise that up to the year 1400 there was more carbon in the atmosphere than there is today. So tell me who or what was polluting the atmosphere then, did you think they drove suv's at that period in history. The sea temperature around greenland was 4 degrees C warmer in 1400 than it is now!!!!
As for New orleans which idiot decided to get rid of the natural marshes which would have acted as a massive sponge and soaked up the water which would have prevented a flood in the first place!!!

By the way D A MORGAN. The americans are the biggest polluters they have always drove big gas guzzling vehicles while the brits drive small economic cars. Our goverment taxes us heavily on fuel to stop us contributing to pollution, unleaded is currently 99.8 GPB a litre. This is your quote 'Funny thing about some of you Brits. You're paying a phenomenal amount of money to drive cars and to have goods delivered by lorry. Here's an opportunity to save money, reduce the cost of goods, slow global warming, and decrease the impact of rising ocean levels ... and you want to argue the point ... you lose if you win. Go figure.'
The british goverment is doing more than the usa to prevent global warming. Your such a hypocrite....get your facts right. By the way the earth is warming up naturally and pollution is making it warm up quicker...yes, but by such a small amount its barely significant. READ THIS SCIENTIFIC FACT http://www.fathersforlife.org/REA/warming5.htm

One very last thing for you D A MORGAN to consider and its of some interest to others on this site. If D A MORGAN thinks that sea level will rise by 5 metres in 50 years because of ice sheet melt(lol)what do you think will happen to the gulf stream. I will tell you exactly, its not gonna take much more fresh water to dilute the salt in the gulf stream belt and making it cut off completely. Without the warm water it brings to GB and europe the whole of the northern hemisphere will experience a mini ice age. You see the gulf stream acts as the earths thermostat, if the earth gets too hot it cuts off. Everyone is worrying about coastline loss but when the belt cuts off we are gonna gain coastline well where i live anyway( the north sea was once a large land mass)The predicted future sea rise of 5mm a year(which i dont believe)will cut the belt off way way before too much coastline is lost(if any).

Robbie wrote:
"By the way D A MORGAN. The americans are the biggest polluters they have always drove big gas guzzling vehicles while the brits drive small economic cars."

No question about it. We are the worst. And some of us are totally embarrassed by both our government and the selfish and greedy behaviour of our fellow citizens.