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it is being said that if the UK seceeds from the EU it would
start ww3 , from what it looks like if the UK stays that too
will start ww3.

so at least the people can vote for it.
either way

one week before the British People will vote to either
stay in the EU or get out of it all together.

and now there has been a murder over it.

its very sad that some individual person has taken the
life of this Beautuful woman simply because she didnt see
the things in the same way as he did.

if this would have happened in the US it would most likely
be considered that it may have been a move by the side that
favors the EU.

but today I read that there are fears that the murder by this
one man might swing the Brittish vote that was basically a 50/50
split before the incident in favor of staying in the EU.

there is only 1 vote from what I understand if the vote is
to stay then I also understand that it would probably require
a war to exit the EU.

if the EU is not working for the British People then
dont let this incident be the deciding factor that will go
down in history as what caused the minds of the British People
to vote to stay in the EU.

if the EU is sinking then your vote to stay in will only
delay the sinking by the amount of money that it can and
most likely will squeze out of the British People.

thats just the way I see it.

Paul, this confused world view, or conceptual dyslexia, or willful contrarianism,
which you exhibit in discussing the physical sciences,
appears to extend into the social sciences as well.

In what world could you possibly view that horrible and lethal behavior, if it “would have happened in the US,”
as equal to “a move by the side that favors the EU?”

Do you see the behavior of that long-term white nationalist sociopathic loser
as “a move by the side that favors the EU” in Britain also?

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Note: Helen Joanne "Jo" Cox (née Leadbeater; 22 June 1974 – 16 June 2016)
would have been 42 today.

the one under your feet.

1 week to go ... and now I find that the side that did not
favor staying in the EU were actually 14% ahead of the side
that does favor staying in the EU.

so which side would have benefited the most from this event.

did the side that wants to leave the EU think that this type
of event would help to convince the unneeded remaining
36% of voters to vote to leave!!!

there are other reasons why I personally think that something
just isnt right about this event.

and Im not the only one that thinks this way.

...oh dear.

If there is some specific way of thinking, which you're hoping that video will highlight,
you should quote the text in your post ...for anyone unable or unwilling to follow video links.

But I can search for text ...related to the name of that Deputy Leader in the video:

Is this the sort of "thinks this way" stuff you're talking about, or is there some other, more specific point that you are getting at?
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Why do these right-wing authoritarian types so often gravitate to, and/or proclaim, a leader—or glorious leader—as we are seeing again these days.

Paul, it's always interesting to see how others view the world and why you "personally think that something just isnt right" about whatever, so a little help would be appreciated. Please add some relevant quotes!

Or, failing any exact transcription, just paraphrasing the relevant content of your video links would be helpful and appreciated.
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and the vote is .... EUout!!!

51% - 48%

close

I suppose now the EU is going to huff and puff and try to
punish the UK for not wanting to remain under their control.

but any punishment that they dish out to the UK will be felt
by the EU as well.

and that of course works both ways.

I think that the UK made the correct decision.

and I would wager that there is a bold fresh feeling of
renewed hope circulating throughout the lands.

its time to come together..




[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4R8DWoMoI7CAwX8_LjQHig[/video]

Is that how it looks from across the water?

Let's consider a few things that happened on the first day after the vote.

The pound fell to its lowest for over 30 years.
Just one London based firm sacked 2,000 workers and announced their intention to move to Germany.
Scotland called for another referendum which would almost certainly take them out of the UK.
Rumblings in Ireland point to resumption of the North/South troubles.
Japan refused to trade with UK.

Oh, wait! There is the plus side. We will no longer have to contribute £350,000,000 per week to the EU, which Brexit supporters have constantly pointed out, would pay for a new NHS hospital each week!!

If you multiply that figure by about 600 the result would just come close to the amount lost to the economy on that first day. If the £ could be stabilised tomorrow (no way!) it would be over 11 years before we started to benifit from that.

[Is that how it looks from across the water?]

No, not to everyone across the water. Hope things work out for you and your countrymen.

I remember back in the 80's when the pound was worth
over 4 dollars U.S. ... I'll have to look all of this up
but Im wondering when did the pound begin to lose
its value that had shrunk to over 300% of its 1980's value ...

a lower valued pound will mean more buisness start ups
and more trade exports for the UK.




which firm was that?
if it was credit sussie then that move was planed back in
october 2015 as a restructuring.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/21/credit-suisse-to-slash-staff-by-2000-in-uk






and your point is ?

the British wanted their soveringnity from the EU right?
so if Scotland and/or Northern Ireland choose to each seek
their soveringnity from the UK then shouldnt they also
have that ability?



so I suppose the UK will either have to build or produce the items that
japan used to build or produce for the UK or buy those items from another country.

there are loads of other countries that produce products that will gladly accept
your money.

and your exports.



looks like your economy is about to hit the high marks if your politicians
use that money to fund business start ups ... your looking at 350 new buisnesses
with a 1 million a year start up fund each and every week.
apx 50 employees @ 400 a week paid up front for the year
for each of the 350 new start ups each week.
17,500 new jobs each and every week.
910,000 new jobs each and every year...

that is an incredible number of jobs unless the money is handled the wrong way.
you dont have that many people in the UK...

so wheres the financial problem ?

Thanks Paul. That's a great example of the sort of technique the Brexit camp have been using. Pick one point, ignore all other relevant points, and base an argument on it with which to lead the gullible by the nose.

Either you are completely lacking in understanding - which I sincerely doubt - or you are being dishonest, which I hesitate to impute to any poster.

BTW. My son read your last post and said: "You are wasting your time discussing anything with this person, he's a Libertarian, for whom everything is a great business oportunity, and the only reason that not everyone is rich is that someone mishandles the opportunities. He will (can) never be wrong. Is he a creationist?".

Yes , I believe that a rock cannot create another rock.
so its obvious to me that life did not create itself from rocks
or any combination of anything that was available.

you must have been in the "IN" crowd judging from your
criticism about BREXIT ...

and your son is right I also believe in liberty.

seriously though do you actually believe that the EU ever
had a chance of survival?

you lived in a country that held elections to choose its
leaders yet it did not hold elections to choose EU leaders.

the EU is a united group of nations similar to the U.S.
federal government but none of the leaders of the EU can
be removed by the people that they govern.

and that is extremely dangerous.

because the EU controls trade between EU member states
and non EU member states.

so the EU has the ability to lower the economy of any of
its member states for any reason that it chooses.

the EU can pick its favorites in other words.

I dont know everything there is to know about the EU
and some of the above might be wrong.

but if you wanted a union that would have lasted then you
should have began the union by holding public elections of
the leaders of that union.

this would have meant that the presidents of each nation
would have became governors of their respective nation states.

and all elected politicians would be accountable for their
actions and could be removed if needed.

it would have been a more solid union where all nation states
in the EU would be charged with protecting the union and all
the other nation states as well.

from what I have read France and the Netherlands are now
demanding a referendum to exit the EU I suppose.

cant blame them now can you.

the remaining member states will have to dig deeper into their
budgets to support the EU now that the UK is out.

I would not wager that the EU stabilizes myself as it is
in its current form of governance.

but things change we can certainly attest to that
and there may be a reconciliation within the current
member states that demand
elected officials and an elected leader.

just think about it

The United States of Europe

I think Im more of a optimistic correctionist myself.

Bill S.

if your pretty much certain that the pound will drastically
fall against the dollar then smooth out the curve.

ie.. if you think your retirement account will lose value
then patch the losses by buying the dollar.

heres a link to a practice account on forex trading.

http://www.fxcm.com/forex-trading-demo/