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#55723 03/15/16 06:20 PM
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Michelson - Morley's experiment ???


how long is YOUR instrument ?

source------------L-----------spliter

for distance L ( light need time t !)

Source 1/x Hz
Spliter 1 /(x+t) Hz

1/(x+t) < 1/x RED SHIFT


please repeat above for next Arm and Next Arm ....

for best resoult please evaluate Hz good for Your tool
IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE ZERO ! ?

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ORAC any QUESTION ?! ( I'm ready : )

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Nothing new or unknown about that it has been known for about 100 years and under constant study for 50 years (since 1964).

The current star of this sort of thing is called LAGEOS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAGEOS).

Reflecting a laser off it yes you get a small doppler effect from Earths movement.

The doppler effect from bouncing signals off the moon is also known (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth-Moon-Earth_communication)

Originally Posted By: Earth Moon Communication
Doppler Effect at 144 MHz band is 300 Hz at Moonrise or Moonset. The Doppler Offset goes to around Zero when the Moon is overhead. At other frequencies other Doppler Offsets will exist. The 300Hz offset is the average Doppler Offset for the 144 MHz band.

Not satisfied with just a laser we fired a rocket and measured it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Probe_A)

Originally Posted By: Gavity Probe A
Along with the hydrogen maser, a microwave repeater was also included in the probe in order to measure the Doppler shift of the maser signal. A Doppler shift occurs when an source is moving relative to the observer of that source, and results in a shift in the frequency that corresponds to the direction and magnitude of the source's motion. The maser's signal is Doppler shifted because it is launched vertically at a high speed relative to the Earth, and the results from the maser need to be Doppler shifted in order to be correctly understood


Wow scientists know a lot more than Marosz and the Ligo team is well aware of this and deals with it ... gee I wonder how?

Well Marosz could try reading how Ligo actually works.


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ORAC do You have more Questions:?

QUESTION ABOUT TEMPERATURE
http://i64.tinypic.com/9kwfwk.jpg

( durink my work 2012-2016 I tested cheap
EM source - Michelson Morley during first test
had the same problem !!! )

I not have money to buy expensive
laser that is how I started ask my self
about TEMPERATURE and 3D signal problem

http://images.tinypic.pl/i/00765/8g7j8biccn4d.jpg

BELOW MY 18 questions to people who LOVE TRUE
Q1= question 1
Please reply me for my 18 qestions
Q1.... (yes/no ) .....short description why ?
Q2....

after above list please prepare few words:
Your opinion about My instrument and test
opinion about my proposition how to reduce Cost for LIGO
opinion about "conclusion after experiment "
You have Your own Idea arguments / counterexamples / other exmples from Your own work life

I DREAM REPEAT MY TEST IN INTERNATIONAL TEAM
WHAT I CAN DO ? (I'm private person I not working
for any Universitet) CAN YOU HELP ME
- any informations (thank You)

IT IS POSSIBLE or NOT possible TO MEASURE RED SHIFT ?

http://i68.tinypic.com/3483bx4.jpg

Q1: Astronomer on moon SEE DOPPLER or NOT ?
Q2: Astronomer on big planet SEE DOPPLER or NOT ?
Q3: Astronomer on moon = Astronomer on BIG PLANET ( the same speed and distance L ) ?

http://i65.tinypic.com/30v2afr.jpg

Q4: Astronomer on Big Planet see Doppler or NOT
(em source central position ) ?

EM source's position is not central
(exist distance center----X1)
http://i65.tinypic.com/2rh4bxh.jpg

Q5: Astronomer on moon see Doppler or NOT ?
Q6: Astronomer on Big Planet see Doppler or NOT ?

Below Autocad 2014
( without math this program not works
this what is showing drawing we can describe by functions )

http://i63.tinypic.com/24bvoft.jpg

Q7: Source 3Hz what is Your opinion
Sensor ( astronomer ) see the same Hz ?
Q8: Astronomer see /not see Doppler ?

We have two situations
(left em source is central )
(right - em source is not central X1)

http://i68.tinypic.com/28rl82s.jpg

Q9: We have many obser. o1..o2....o(n-1)... THEY ALL SEE THE SAME Hz ?

Q10:We have many obser. o1..o2....o(n-1)... THEY ALL SEE DIFFERENT RED SHIFT Hz
( different = not the same Hz but red )?

Q11:We have many obser. o1..o2....o(n-1)... THEY ALL SEE ZERO SHIFT Hz ?
( They all see the same Hz )

EXPERIMENTAL PART ( I MADE TEST IN 2012)

inside 100% Dark box we have BULB and " classical FILM "

http://i64.tinypic.com/2isb1og.jpg

bulb = source
film = sensor

I LOVE MAXWELL
I LOVE Mr MACH his physics = huge inspiration !!!

inside 100% Dark box we have BULB and " classical FILM "

http://i64.tinypic.com/2isb1og.jpg

Q12: What is registering FILM Zero , BLUE, RED shift ?
Q13. HOW SHIFT is registering FILM ?

distance Bulb ----Film = L (meters )

L1=1 m
L2=2 m
L3=3 m

Q14: HOW DEEP RED WE WILL SEE (we changing distance L) ?

A ) L1<L2<L3

L3 strong shift , L2 medium SHIFT , L1 soft shift

B) L1=L2=L3 = ZERO SHIFT ( Michelson Morley ? I saw this zero many time in TV )

C) L1>L2>L3

L1 strong SHIFT , L2 medium SHIFT , L3 soft shift

Q15: Reapect to what Film is registering ZERO SHIFT ?
Q16: Respect to what Film is not registering ZERO SHIFT ?

In 2012 Poland ( city Walbrzych )
Maciej Marosz made first test (simple test )
camera is registering 200 000 points ( colour , brightness )

http://i68.tinypic.com/2z5vjbd.jpg

BIG QUESTION ABOUT TEMPERATURE
( durink my work 2012-2016 I tested cheap
EM source - that is how I started ask my self
about TEMPERATURE and 3D signal shape )

Please Compare Marosz's test to Michelson Morley
http://i64.tinypic.com/9kwfwk.jpg

Q17: Do we have ZERO ? or we HAVE DOPPLER ?
Q18: Marosz's test You want to repeat in home ?

ORYGINAL Ytube ( Marosz few minutes after first test )
https://youtu.be/O9k-zidfJZg

I ALREADY INFORMED LIGO TEAM ABOUT MY TEST
I TRUST THAT MATHEMATICA and DOPPLER CAN REDUCE COST
and PROBLEMS !

http://i65.tinypic.com/2zzt5r7.jpg

CONCLUSION AFTER EXPERIMENT
( I'm sorry below I not showing physics
it is amatore observation it is my OWN
opinion supported by theory )
anyway I want to share this opinion

theory

1600 Galilean relativity /Natural Fall Law

1861 J. C. Maxwell, published his theory of electromagnetic fields and radiation,
which shows that light has momentum and thus can exert pressure on objects.
1901 P. N. Lebedev EXPERIMENTAL EXAMINATION OF LIGHT PRESSURE

2011 Grover Swartzlander first began to examine a revolutionary concept
in optical physics after studying the flight of a moth.
He watched the animal use its wings to create lift, which led to flight.
Swartzlander asked : Could light be used to create the same effect?

EM Pascal Si UNITS system

http://i67.tinypic.com/14dfy2e.jpg

EACH atom on Earth is registering DOPPLER effect
( exist comunication atom's center -----electron)
electron and atom are using EM signals

http://i68.tinypic.com/154zqir.jpg

Atomic Clock - ( I love Mr Mach )
http://i63.tinypic.com/24cf8nn.jpg

Three Brothers without PINK GLASS smile

http://i66.tinypic.com/w2j8f5.jpg

Absolute Doppler informig Us about Aerodynamica for light
http://i67.tinypic.com/4j19b4.jpg

Exist very special EM Preasure
http://i63.tinypic.com/2n71ojl.jpg

Around planet we have IDEAL GAS ?
EM preasure works similar to water ?

http://i68.tinypic.com/14xopc.jpg

I'm ready here for Your Questions :
( 2012-2016 - during my work I made many tests
very nice tool is Digital camera
HUGE SENSOR 16Mpx - Digital Camera feel/see near 200 000 points
(single picture ) - You can easy see Doppler
( exist in web many free programs to evaluate picture's histograms / colour)
Very important is DARK filtre ( more long picture's time = more better average )
- I CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFO
( I not represent any company
- my dark filtre I made alone I just want to help You prepare test /experiment )

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Wall of spam ignored ... won't even bother reading.

The rule is one point and one image per post and I get to ask questions about your post.

I answered the original post because it obeyed that rule one image a few related questions.

The above post breaks the rule so ... discussion terminated ... not interested.

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During signal is going to sensor , sensor is changing position too .

d= I L-L1 I


CW or CCW we have red / blue shift
( ZERO is impossible during test on Earth )

Earth is making own rotation = evidence that we not have ZERO



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Michelson - Morley - Marosz - DOPPLER MECHANISM
During signal is going to sensor , sensor is changing position too .
Light need time T for distance L
please compare left and right situation it is very similar problem !!!
CW or CCW we have red or blue shift
( ZERO is impossible during test on Earth )

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Originally Posted By: newton
CW or CCW we have red or blue shift

Correct

Quote:
( ZERO is impossible during test on Earth)

WRONG

You are correct it won't be zero (absolute phase equalization) by default but earths movements is constant because of it's sheer inertia size so you can zero to the offset using some more smart science tricks.

Ligo ADDS NEW SYSTEMS inside the Michelson interferometer the first of which is called a Fabry–Pérot cavity in each arm.

Start here:
http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabry–Pérot_interferometer

Now there are even more systems we have yet to discuss in LIGO.

You keep describing LIGO as a Michelson-Morley interferometer and it is not it is a heavily modified michelson interferometer.

You understand one of about 20 systems within LIGO and without understanding what those other systems do, think we should listen to you? That is why everyone ignores you because you won't listen or learn how LIGO works but like a child insist on making naive and silly comments.

This is what LIGO REALLY LOOKS LIKE


Even this does not do it justice as each of those systems is extremely complex.

Here is the calibration data for the LIGO for the period it discovered the gravity wave.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.03845v1.pdf
The shear number of scientists and universities on the paper tells you how carefully the calibrations were checked.

A telling detail is they use the doppler effect caused by the motion of the earth to position the gravity wave event. Marosz however claims LIGO are not aware of that very same doppler effect ???????

So you need to go thru each system in LIGO in detail and show us the error.

Scientists are telling you doppler variation is dealt with and they have calibration results to prove it, so just saying we are wrong makes us laugh and yes we ignore you.

So your post is blatantly wrong because it is too big a simplification. Do you wish to change the argument of that post by going into more detail?

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